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re: LOST: The Final Season™ Ep. 8 "Recon"
Posted on 3/18/10 at 6:49 pm to etm512
Posted on 3/18/10 at 6:49 pm to etm512
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I was wondering why this thread wasn't 85 pages yet and then I realized that OML is not here. Do we need to send out an amber alert for this guy?
On vacation, and just got to watch the episode and got in contact with a computer.
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Posted on 3/18/10 at 7:00 pm to Antonio Moss
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It was definitely the weakest of the season, but it was a classic LOST set-up episode. Hopefully, it was cementing the main storyline in our heads so that the writers can do a big back-story show next week.
What Kate Does is a much, much worse episode than Recon. The sideflash was good and the on-Island stuff was decent. In "What Kate Does" the on-Island stuff was bad (aside from the dock scene) and the sideflash was just horrible.
Posted on 3/18/10 at 7:10 pm to OMLandshark
something about the sideflashes in general
In the enhanced episodes they explain the sideflashes as "what would have happened had the plane not crashed"
but it goes much deeper than that, as they all have led extremely different lives.
As I'm fleshing this out, I'm starting to wonder..... Are the side-flashes what would have happened had there been no Jacob? Because that would make more sense to me, as he never touched them. But we know from LA X that we see Dharmaville & the Foot underwater. So, at some point and time, Jacob did exist. But I'm beginning to think that something happened in regards to the Black Rock in the flash-sideways that led to their different paths.
I'm still working on it, but I think there's something to it
In the enhanced episodes they explain the sideflashes as "what would have happened had the plane not crashed"
but it goes much deeper than that, as they all have led extremely different lives.
As I'm fleshing this out, I'm starting to wonder..... Are the side-flashes what would have happened had there been no Jacob? Because that would make more sense to me, as he never touched them. But we know from LA X that we see Dharmaville & the Foot underwater. So, at some point and time, Jacob did exist. But I'm beginning to think that something happened in regards to the Black Rock in the flash-sideways that led to their different paths.
I'm still working on it, but I think there's something to it
Posted on 3/18/10 at 7:11 pm to OMLandshark
The episode was NOT bad.
If you think this was bad then you must have thought that 80% of the episodes in the past seasons "sucked" as well.
If this were in say Season 4, people would be jizzing in their shorts.
If you think this was bad then you must have thought that 80% of the episodes in the past seasons "sucked" as well.
If this were in say Season 4, people would be jizzing in their shorts.
Posted on 3/18/10 at 7:17 pm to Uncle Stu
quote:That explanation makes sense.
Are the side-flashes what would have happened had there been no Jacob? Because that would make more sense to me, as he never touched them. But we know from LA X that we see Dharmaville & the Foot underwater. So, at some point and time, Jacob did exist.
quote:Why would the problem date back to the Black Rock? Why not when the nuke went off? Nuke goes off...Jacob never gets to come into contact with any of them. Sawyer was the youngest person that Jacob came into contact with if I'm not mistaken. So if the nuke went off before he gets into contact with Sawyer then I guess it could explain the timeline.
But I'm beginning to think that something happened in regards to the Black Rock in the flash-sideways that led to their different paths.
This post was edited on 3/18/10 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 3/18/10 at 7:23 pm to tuck
And even if he somehow did touch Sawyer and not anyone else, the fact that the other people's lives are now different could very well affect Sawyer's life and lead to him choosing the cop path over the crook path.
I'm not going to be suprised if we see the letter he wrote in a flash sideways later this season.
I'm not going to be suprised if we see the letter he wrote in a flash sideways later this season.
Posted on 3/18/10 at 7:34 pm to tuck
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Why not when the nuke went off?
because the nuke detonation is a direct result of the survivors, if they never landed on the island, how can they detonate the bomb?
I'm saying, there are no others....ever, no Widmore, no Eloise. I'm theorizing something happened in that timeline at the time of the Black Rock, and whatever it was, it caused Jacob to not be there anymore - but presumably MIB was still around as we saw the sonic fence underwater - and then not one soul was on the island in any fashion till Dharma showed up. Then yet another unexplained incident happened, Dharma bails, the island sinks.
it's a work in progress, as I have no doubt the secrets will be revealed before I figure it all out
Posted on 3/18/10 at 7:36 pm to vorenus23
I forgot about that little David fig.
This post was edited on 3/18/10 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 3/18/10 at 7:38 pm to vorenus23
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I posted this nearly a month ago.
nice
I like it
Wonder how MIB can see into that reality if he's defeated? Or, he was just running an empty promise up Sayid's arse.....but so far, he's been fairly open and honest with everyone
Posted on 3/18/10 at 7:43 pm to Uncle Stu
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Wonder how MIB can see into that reality if he's defeated? Or, he was just running an empty promise up Sayid's arse.....but so far, he's been fairly open and honest with everyone
To me, he seems to be doing what Ben did when he was first introduced as a character. He would pretend like he was being up front and honest by giving promises and half-truths to get his way, yet all the while he's got other things up his sleeve. He lied to Claire and he's lied to Sawyer that we know of so far.
Posted on 3/18/10 at 7:49 pm to Uncle Stu
That timeline still has Jacob. We saw the black rock and Jacob in the same time period. Them changing history in 1970 or whatever doesn't change before then only after them. Why would something they did in the 70s affect say the 50s. It wouldn't. Jacob is still in some form in both timelines
Posted on 3/18/10 at 7:58 pm to The Eric
I think it could still effect pre-1977 as the Losties never went to the island in the flash sideways, which means they didn't travel back into time and interact with Richard or see the statue still in tact.
I think they could have changed further back than 1977.
eta: by that logic the bomb never goes off and now i'm confused. frick.
I think they could have changed further back than 1977.
eta: by that logic the bomb never goes off and now i'm confused. frick.
This post was edited on 3/18/10 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 3/18/10 at 7:59 pm to tuck
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and he's lied to Sawyer that we know of so far.
Did he actually lie to him?
Posted on 3/18/10 at 8:07 pm to PortCityTiger24
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Did he actually lie to him?
He told Sawyer to go over to the Hydra station and find the "survivors" of the plane crash. He knew who they actually were and how they got there.
Posted on 3/18/10 at 8:13 pm to tuck
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He knew who they actually were and how they got there.
I dont think he knew Widmore was there, he was expecting to hear something else
Posted on 3/18/10 at 8:14 pm to Uncle Stu
quote:why do you say that?
I dont think he knew Widmore was there, he was expecting to hear something else
Posted on 3/18/10 at 8:27 pm to btwnthehedges91
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why do you say that?
"......there's a man over that aint going to let us get on that plane without a fight........name's Widmore"
"......Charles Widmore!?!?
I think he was genuinely surprised to hear that, I think he was expecting to hear that the other people on Hydra were either nobody of importance or possibly more of Jacob's angels.
Posted on 3/18/10 at 8:39 pm to Uncle Stu
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"......Charles Widmore!?!?
quote:Yeah, when you put it that way.... Hmmm.
I think he was genuinely surprised to hear that
I don't know if he's more forthcoming than Jacob. I will say that he has given the impression of being forthcoming.
I kind of hope FLocke turns out to be the good guy in all of this and he was wronged a long, long time ago and he gets his revenge. I've always liked his character, yes, even when he was a whiny little bitch. But I love FLocke (he's still got some of Locke's traits but with none of the fear) and would like nothing more than to see him take over the world.
Posted on 3/18/10 at 8:43 pm to Uncle Stu
In the middle of reading CHUD's recap right now, and the author raises an interesting point. Assuming that the MiB already knew of Widmore's presence on Hydra Island, then the MiB essentially tried to deliver Ben to Widmore in "Dr. Linus" by setting Ben free and telling him to meet the MiB and his followers on Hydra. Now it is possible that the MiB and his followers will make the move to Hydra in the next couple episodes, and thus this point may be without any validity, but I still found it interesting nonetheless.
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