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BuckeyeFan87 
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 8:53 am to specs1)
Boise brings absolutely nothing except a football team every couple years.
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SprintFun
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 8:56 am to specs1)
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What exactly do Illinois and Indiana contribute in the fall?
Its different between an existing member and adding an expansion member you ruhtard. The Big10 DOESN'T need to add a member - the only reason to do so will be to INCREASE its revenue PER TEAM, not to keep it the same or decrease it.
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As for the second rule, that isn’t just fuzzy math for a conference with 11 members that still calls itself the Big Ten. The reason why the Big Ten has stood at 11 members for so long is that Penn State, which has been an unqualified success in bringing an enormous amount of resources to the conference, is now the baseline standard for any type of expansion candidate. That is, a new school must bring financial, academic and fan base value to the conference that is way above and beyond what an average school would bring to the table. The Big Ten DOESN’T need 11 + 1 = 12, where all that does is add another mouth to feed without materially changing the fortunes of the current conference members. At the same time, the Big Ten absolutely positively will not even consider 11 + 1 = 11.5, where the revenue split per school would actually go down by adding a 12th member. Instead, a viable expansion candidate has to show that by becoming the 12th school in the conference that it would be the equivalent of bringing value that is above and beyond simply adding a conference championship game – essentially, the Big Ten needs 1 marquee school that is worth 2 average schools. Hence, the proper math for the Big Ten is 11 + 1 = 13.
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dutchtowntiger100 
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 8:56 am to Muahahaha)
No way in hell Texas would leave! That would be the end of the Big 12
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specs1
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 8:58 am to H-Town Tiger)
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Ill brings the state of Ill in the fall fyi.
But their football teams are not traditional powers.
BSU has become a traditional power. How many BCS bowl victories do IL, IN, or Purdue have in their backgrounds?
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BuckeyeFan87
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:03 am to specs1)
Read sprints post(aka the article) before posting boise bull shite again.
TIA
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Ralph_Wiggum
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:06 am to dutchtowntiger100)
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No way in hell Texas would leave! That would be the end of the Big 12
Read the article. Texas makes more money by joining the big ten.
The logical thing would be for Texas, Texas A&M, and an eastern school like Pitt or Rutgers joins. Then Texas makes sense. Texas is the second biggest state in the country and is growing and would make the Big Ten more like the NFL in being a national conference.
If you read between the lines a 14 team big ten means two schools from Texas and one from the East.
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H-Town Tiger 
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:15 am to specs1)
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specs1
Read the article linked in the OP or go back to the rant you tard.
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Chicken 
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:19 am to BuckeyeFan87)
I laughed at you and continue to laugh at you and anyone else associated with the big ten that is considering Texas. You are wasting your time.
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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:21 am to H-Town Tiger)
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why
$20M before gate revenue is a rather big budget for any of the non-elite top 10-15 or so
if northwestern gets $20M+ off the top, before any gate/ad/booster revenue, then they have a shitty product per dollar
i think BSU's football budget is in the $4-5M range, for comparison
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:22 am to specs1)
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What exactly do Illinois and Indiana contribute in the fall?
2 really good basketball programs
good women's teams
2 good academic institution
indianapolis and chicago markets
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:23 am to specs1)
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BSU has become a traditional power.
BSU is nowhere near a traditional power
and BSU is a horrible academic institution that sucks dick at every other sport
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H-Town Tiger
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro)
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any gate/ad/booster revenue
I doubt these are very big NW
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SlowFlowPro
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:24 am to H-Town Tiger)
i agree, but $20M is a pretty big budget for a shitty football program in its own right
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SprintFun
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:26 am to SlowFlowPro)
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i agree, but $20M is a pretty big budget for a shitty football program in its own right
It probably goes into a big pot and is used to cover all other sports...just because football brings in $20+ million doesn't mean that's what their budget is. I'm sure Northwestern Woman's Basketball isn't actually profitable.
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supatigah
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:27 am to Muahahaha)
I think he is putting WAY too much emphasis on a new addition adding the Big Ten Network to local TV coverage.
The BTN is nationwide on Directv, Dish and is available regionally on most cable providers. He says Rutgers wouldnt add NYC but the BTN is already on CableVision in NYC
Hell it is already on TimeWarner in Austin, TX
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SprintFun
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:32 am to supatigah)
Part of the major sticking point between Big10 network and cable networks is that the Big10 Network wanted to charge $1 per cable subscriber in Big10 states, while in non Big10 states they wanted $0.10 per sub. I'm not sure what the final contract is, or how it handles adding a new state, but you bet your arse they'll get more money from the cable company in a new state and more advertising revenues.
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H-Town Tiger
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro)
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but $20M is a pretty big budget for a shitty football program in its own right
$20M is just the TV rev, the actual budget is probably smaller since some of that will have to pay for all other programs at a place like NW
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specs1
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:40 am to BuckeyeFan87)
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Read sprints post(aka the article) before posting boise bull shite again.
Like a I care enough about the Little 10+1 to read any further. If not bored would not even be posting to this thread.
The L10+1 is still an over rated underachieving conference w/ a nice bowl tie in.
Personally I could care less if they ever get a conf champ game. I do believe it's in their best interest, but could really care less if it were to happen.
Texas is not realistic. Need to set sights lower.
You might actaully be luck to get BSU!
Good luck w/ vest ever winning another MNC in the near future and he's the closest.
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Baloo
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:45 am to H-Town Tiger)
The Big 10 takes academic reputation very seriously. I think a lot of it is a crock, but they do value it, so they are going to add a team that brings in money AND has a good academic reputation. Texas would bring in revenue, but add too many expenses so its no longer worth it. I just don’t think it is viable.
It really has to be an Eastern/Midwest/Northern team. Otherwise, travel doesn’t work in the minor sports. Really, there aren’t a lot of viable options: you could swoop down to Nebraska, but there’s no TV market. You could look at Rutgers for NYC, but the school is pretty “eh”. They could make a play for Tennessee which isn’t that far from Ohio, just to play chicken with the SEC, but I don’t think they can offer anything. Honestly, why not Virginia, Virginia Tech, or Maryland? All feel sort of as outsiders in the ACC, they all have varying degrees of decent football tradition, and they can deliver DC/Baltimore, the 5th largest TV market in the country. Not to mention, all are pretty good schools. Honestly, I think VT is a really good fit.
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specs1
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| re: Interesting take on Big Ten expansion..prob. the best explanation. (Posted on 1/5/10 at 9:46 am to Baloo)
FACT:
L10+1
Not going to get Notre Dame or Texas.
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