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re: Summary of LSU-Bama officiating errors...WITH PHOTOS!
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:00 pm to cajunjj
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:00 pm to cajunjj
I guess most every big time program has a rant site like this one (well, maybe not just like it, I suspect we might be...uhhh...uncouth and profane)...but what I'm asking, is whether it might be a good idea to post this thread, with the pic evidence, all over the nation. See how many might stand with us, and raise a stink. Worth it? I'll bet the players hate this crap to high heaven.
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Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:05 pm to RCDfan1950
LINK (Didn't give us the first down, had to punt)
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LINK (INT didnt get over turned)
LINK (spear)
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(Facemask on Lyle Hitt)
LINK (Pass interference called, ball thrown out of bounds = uncatchable)
LINK (False start on a succesful 4th and 5 conversion, he did not move early.)
LINK (random facemask that went uncalled)
LINK (Extra yard on a 5 yard running into the kicker penalty)
LINK (Block in the back on Julios long TD)
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[I]"One of the problems that may be out there starting to surface is some of the monitors in the replay booths are nowhere near as sophisticated as those who have high-definition at home. (The replay official) is probably looking at a monitor that's 5 or 6 years old and doesn't have all the technical advantages that we purchase for ourselves."[/I]
-David Parry (National coordinator of officals)
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-Defensive PI waved off because ball was uncatchable (LSU did not get same treatment)
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LINK (INT didnt get over turned)
LINK (spear)
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(Facemask on Lyle Hitt)
LINK (Pass interference called, ball thrown out of bounds = uncatchable)
LINK (False start on a succesful 4th and 5 conversion, he did not move early.)
LINK (random facemask that went uncalled)
LINK (Extra yard on a 5 yard running into the kicker penalty)
LINK (Block in the back on Julios long TD)
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[I]"One of the problems that may be out there starting to surface is some of the monitors in the replay booths are nowhere near as sophisticated as those who have high-definition at home. (The replay official) is probably looking at a monitor that's 5 or 6 years old and doesn't have all the technical advantages that we purchase for ourselves."[/I]
-David Parry (National coordinator of officals)
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Need:
-Defensive PI waved off because ball was uncatchable (LSU did not get same treatment)
This post was edited on 11/9/09 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:09 pm to Baloo
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Baloo
I agree the game is over, no amount of bitching and moaning will change the score of make the SEC give LSU the win.
Time to move on and look ahead to Tech, Ole Miss, and Arkansas and play ourselves into a New Years Bowl.
I doubt their a conspiracy to keep Bama undefeated as that was just horrible officiating by a crew that should have know better.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:14 pm to bmy
Wow, you've got a lot of time on your hands. You failed to mention, the clip by Jackson on 3rd and long when JJ scrambled on the first drive and on the "spear", Josh is holding. Just being a realist Tiger.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:14 pm to BlueCrab
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Wow, you've got a lot of time on your hands. You failed to mention, the clip by Jackson on 3rd and long when JJ scrambled on the first drive and on the "spear", Josh is holding. Just being a realist Tiger.
Link me. And that's not holding on the spear play.
This post was edited on 11/9/09 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:17 pm to bmy
Here's the hold. I don't have one for the clip. It was on our first scoring drive.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:19 pm to BlueCrab
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Here's the hold. I don't have one for the clip. It was on our first scoring drive.
Again.. that's not a hold. He didn't control him. Example being.. when the defender tries to spin off him and the linemens hands go outside the straps.
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This post was edited on 11/9/09 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:22 pm to bmy
I was having a good day, trying to forget the fricking nightmare of that game. And then, it all comes flooding back...
We made mistakes, but we got completely and totally SCREWED by the refs.
We made mistakes, but we got completely and totally SCREWED by the refs.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:23 pm to bmy
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Again.. that's not a hold. He didn't control him. Example being.. when the defender tries to spin off him and the linemens hands go outside the straps.
Did they change the rules for holding? When you've got your arm around a guy, isn't that holding?
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:27 pm to JPLSU1981
Not going through all the pages and reading it but hopefully this hasn't already been brought up. The worst thing about all of this is media outlets across the country have wanted to bring the SEC off the top perch cause they want their conference up there. All these bad calls are doing is giving them a way to bring the SEC down.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:31 pm to BayouBndt
Exactly...the SEC is doing more harm to itself than good by allowing this to continue.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:32 pm to bmy
Ok to begin with lets talk about UA vs. Tenn since that has been brought up.
As has been pointed out by many people Kiffin's rantings were incorrect. Yes, UT has been rarely penalized this year, but in that game all the calls were legitimate. There was no bias, the calls were of the false start, delay of game variety I think the only holding called was against Bama.
Against LSU you bring up many many controversial calls, except you are missing all the ones against Bama. If you are trying to present a rational argument about a "fix" shouldn't you counter argue the list of bad calls that went against Bama? I mean when you scream it was an Int, and I say well they missed a PI on Julio for a TD, and your rebuttal is CONSPIRACY IT WAS AN INT. Well if it was truly a conspiracy wouldn't it be in the Refs interest to not miss Pass interference against Bama? or holding against LSU?
That's the worst conspiracy I've ever heard of if they blatantly miss calls against Bama, but then give us a "6 yard spot" to get us "close" to a first down.
The block in the back on Julio's TD shouldn't have been called. I can show you 100 worse block in the backs this year that haven't been called. Terrance Cody got tackled on your only rushing Touchdown... tackled... please give your reasoning why that went uncalled? Julio Jones got tripped on a deep route on a cachable pass and no flag was thrown, please explain how that fits intoour conspiracy? In the first quarter on a run to the outside a WR had an obvious hold on Arenas's outside shoulder on a run for a 1st down (uncalled). On the punt that led to the safety Chad Jones hit the ball at the 4 yard line and changed the ball's direction so it could be downed at the 1. On the subsequent safety, McElroy threw the ball towards an eligible WR and it passed the LOS, it shouldnt' have been grounding.
If this was a conspiracy FOR Bama why were there so many missed calls that went LSU's way?
I clearly think the amount of mistakes shows a general lack of ability by the SEC refs (who only do this part time). Yes, the INT was controversial, but don't extrapolate that one play into a conspiracy that Bama got every call.
The refs didn't account for LSU's anemic offense (under 270 yards total), or for Bama's 450 yards of offense, the difference in penalties was because of LSU's false starts.
They missed calls both ways, it had a negligible affect.
There is precedence for an LSU bias as well. The year you got jobbed at Auburn, Bama got jobbed at LSU, Keith brown got knocked down in the endzone and the CB returned the ball to the 50. The ref was watching the play a much more blatant mis call than the Peterson Int. These things happen in football. Grow a pair or become a fan of tennis.
As has been pointed out by many people Kiffin's rantings were incorrect. Yes, UT has been rarely penalized this year, but in that game all the calls were legitimate. There was no bias, the calls were of the false start, delay of game variety I think the only holding called was against Bama.
Against LSU you bring up many many controversial calls, except you are missing all the ones against Bama. If you are trying to present a rational argument about a "fix" shouldn't you counter argue the list of bad calls that went against Bama? I mean when you scream it was an Int, and I say well they missed a PI on Julio for a TD, and your rebuttal is CONSPIRACY IT WAS AN INT. Well if it was truly a conspiracy wouldn't it be in the Refs interest to not miss Pass interference against Bama? or holding against LSU?
That's the worst conspiracy I've ever heard of if they blatantly miss calls against Bama, but then give us a "6 yard spot" to get us "close" to a first down.
The block in the back on Julio's TD shouldn't have been called. I can show you 100 worse block in the backs this year that haven't been called. Terrance Cody got tackled on your only rushing Touchdown... tackled... please give your reasoning why that went uncalled? Julio Jones got tripped on a deep route on a cachable pass and no flag was thrown, please explain how that fits intoour conspiracy? In the first quarter on a run to the outside a WR had an obvious hold on Arenas's outside shoulder on a run for a 1st down (uncalled). On the punt that led to the safety Chad Jones hit the ball at the 4 yard line and changed the ball's direction so it could be downed at the 1. On the subsequent safety, McElroy threw the ball towards an eligible WR and it passed the LOS, it shouldnt' have been grounding.
If this was a conspiracy FOR Bama why were there so many missed calls that went LSU's way?
I clearly think the amount of mistakes shows a general lack of ability by the SEC refs (who only do this part time). Yes, the INT was controversial, but don't extrapolate that one play into a conspiracy that Bama got every call.
The refs didn't account for LSU's anemic offense (under 270 yards total), or for Bama's 450 yards of offense, the difference in penalties was because of LSU's false starts.
They missed calls both ways, it had a negligible affect.
There is precedence for an LSU bias as well. The year you got jobbed at Auburn, Bama got jobbed at LSU, Keith brown got knocked down in the endzone and the CB returned the ball to the 50. The ref was watching the play a much more blatant mis call than the Peterson Int. These things happen in football. Grow a pair or become a fan of tennis.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:35 pm to JPLSU1981
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With all due respect, LSU was flagged 8 times and Alabama was flagged 4 times. LINK
LSU came into the game as the 16th LEAST penalized team in the country. Alabama came in at #48 in the country. LINK
There is a pattern here. Tennessee came into the Alabama game as the FOURTH LEAST penalized team in the country. A reasonable person can see that something is amiss.
I keep thinking about this... The most absolutely MIND BOGGLING thing about it is that Alabama was #48 on the "Least Penalized" heading into LSU...INCLUDING THEIR 1-PENALTY GAME AGAINST TENNESSEE!
Makes you wonder how much farther down the list they would be if it wasn't for their homer refs.
Anybody care to do a little digging and see how many penalties(and penalty yards) they have in home games vs. away games?
And by the way - great OP and deserving sticky.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:37 pm to BlueCrab
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Did they change the rules for holding? When you've got your arm around a guy, isn't that holding?
1. The hand(s) and arm(s) shall not be used to grasp, pull or encircle in any way that illegally impedes or illegally obstructs an opponent.
2. The hand(s) or arm(s) shall not be used to hook, clamp or otherwise illegally impede or illegally obstruct an opponent (A.R. 9-3-3-I).
It really doesn't look like he used his arms/hands to grasp, pull, encircle, hook, or clamp.
This post was edited on 11/9/09 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:38 pm to BlueCrab
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Did they change the rules for holding? When you've got your arm around a guy, isn't that holding?
That's not holding, moron.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:40 pm to AlejandroInHouston
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That's not holding, moron.
Yeah, right. Back to the fantasy board, dork.Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:42 pm to JB Bama
So, if I understand you correctly, you are agreeing that the officiating is horrendous. Is this an accurate statement?
FWIW, I never mentioned the word "conspiracy" ... and also, the Peterson INT was one of the worst calls in college football this year, and pretty much everyone agrees. Pleast don't "minimize" that call. It was arguably the biggest game of the year in college football, and a crucial situation. It was an egregious officiating error, at the very least.
FWIW, I never mentioned the word "conspiracy" ... and also, the Peterson INT was one of the worst calls in college football this year, and pretty much everyone agrees. Pleast don't "minimize" that call. It was arguably the biggest game of the year in college football, and a crucial situation. It was an egregious officiating error, at the very least.
This post was edited on 11/9/09 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:48 pm to BlueCrab
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eah, right. Back to the fantasy board, dork.
Not holding.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:50 pm to JPLSU1981
My point is you are building a strawman argument.
Include the bad calls both ways or shut the hell up.
You paint a picture of bias referees "giving" Alabama the game which is fine if you care to refute all the bad calls AGAINST Alabama that I've pointed out. Otherwise your argument should be that overall collegiate officiating is poor.
There have been worse calls than the PP Int unless there's a camera angle from behind that the refs had access too I could see why they couldn't find "irrefutable" evidence. How about USC's facemask non-call vs. NC state? That is probably the worst call of the year, Arkansas had calls much worse than LSU did, not even comparable.
Georgia might have had the worst call of the year when after scoring a game changing TD they called an unsportsmanlike penalty on AJ Green that the SEC admitted there was no evidence to support it.
Include the bad calls both ways or shut the hell up.
You paint a picture of bias referees "giving" Alabama the game which is fine if you care to refute all the bad calls AGAINST Alabama that I've pointed out. Otherwise your argument should be that overall collegiate officiating is poor.
There have been worse calls than the PP Int unless there's a camera angle from behind that the refs had access too I could see why they couldn't find "irrefutable" evidence. How about USC's facemask non-call vs. NC state? That is probably the worst call of the year, Arkansas had calls much worse than LSU did, not even comparable.
Georgia might have had the worst call of the year when after scoring a game changing TD they called an unsportsmanlike penalty on AJ Green that the SEC admitted there was no evidence to support it.
This post was edited on 11/9/09 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 11/9/09 at 3:53 pm to JB Bama
Feel free to post pictures of the bad calls against Alabama. I will not "apologize" for my bias towards LSU, and it's a little silly that you're even hinting at that.
I don't care what calls were made against Alabama ... I only know what happenned against LSU, and the entire nation knows we got an opportunity to win the game taken from us.
I don't care what calls were made against Alabama ... I only know what happenned against LSU, and the entire nation knows we got an opportunity to win the game taken from us.
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