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Bermuda - time to scalp and bag?

Posted on 2/22/24 at 5:59 pm
Posted by JustKillinTime
Member since Apr 2022
65 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 5:59 pm
Started the centipede to bermuda conversion last spring with seed, majority of yard is now bermuda with a couple small spots of centipede. With the recent warm weather the bermuda is starting to green up a little. Still have a few brown spots but can see growth starting.

Weather forecast looks pretty warm for next couple of weeks. Is now the time to scalp or should I wait?

Edit: I'm on the Northshore
This post was edited on 2/22/24 at 6:57 pm
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6392 posts
Posted on 2/22/24 at 7:31 pm to
I will be as soon as I get a free day. I edged last week to tighten it up but it’s looking shaggy with the rain and warm weather.
Posted by Tifway419
Member since Sep 2022
885 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:39 am to
I “pre-scalped” mine a few days ago. Didn’t take it all the way down, but just removed that top thick layer so the soil can breathe and the sun can warm it up.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6242 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:44 am to
I’m scalping this weekend.
Posted by Ziggy
Member since Oct 2007
21559 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 8:08 am to
Can the Bermuda experts shed some light on scalping?

This May will make 1 year or so since I put down my Tifway Bermuda and although I've heard about "scalping" and burning the yard, I'm not entirely sure why this is done, pros/cons, if it HAS to be done, how many times it needs to be scalped before season starts, and how "low" to cut it compared to my normal cut.

Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated as my Bermuda is already starting to green up.

Thanks all!
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
19075 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 9:56 am to
quote:

Can the Bermuda experts shed some light on scalping?

Tifway basically explained it.
It's the first part of a regiment to promote growth, followed by aerating and fertilizing.

I'll leave the science to Ronk or others.

Some people will scalp 2-3 times per year to promote more dense horizontal growth and reset their height of cut.

If you have a traditional rotary lawn mower put it on the very lowest setting. You'd then want to maintain your lawn at a notch or two above that, depending on preference and availabiliy to mow.

edit: If your lawn is bumpy this will be quite difficult, so obviously you might address leveling in May or later

This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 10:05 am
Posted by Teufelhunden
Galvez, LA
Member since Feb 2005
5589 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 10:40 am to
I was going to ask this question today so thanks. Like you I have some greening up. I used the rotary mower last weekend and bagged it. Ready to break out the reel and scalp today or tomorrow.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6242 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:29 pm to
The thought behind it is that you expose more of the dirt to direct sunlight thus warming the ground faster. If that happens your grass will begin to grow faster. Some will burn the lawn to do the same thing plus rid the yard of thatch.

Some of the recent science says it doesn't work. Scalping doesn't warm your lawn any faster than your unscalped neighbor. Thatch build up really isn't a problem and some thatch is good.

Now, if the recent science is correct that doesn't bother me. I will still scalp once a year to remove all of the dormant grass and to reset my height of cut.
Posted by Ziggy
Member since Oct 2007
21559 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:32 pm to
Thanks all for the responses. That makes sense.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
25099 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

Some will burn the lawn to do the same thing plus rid the yard of thatch


Thinking about doing this this afternoon. My yard (zoysia) has never been burned or dethatched. Should be a good weekend to do it.
Posted by Sixafan
Member since Aug 2023
631 posts
Posted on 2/24/24 at 7:11 am to
So cutting with a mulching blade is not recommended? Is burning?
Posted by Bayou
CenLA
Member since Feb 2005
36948 posts
Posted on 2/24/24 at 7:47 am to
bag it initially
Posted by tiger2180
Member since Nov 2015
421 posts
Posted on 2/24/24 at 2:44 pm to
quote:

The thought behind it is that you expose more of the dirt to direct sunlight thus warming the ground faster. If that happens your grass will begin to grow faster. Some will burn the lawn to do the same thing plus rid the yard of thatch.

Some of the recent science says it doesn't work. Scalping doesn't warm your lawn any faster than your unscalped neighbor. Thatch build up really isn't a problem and some thatch is good.

Now, if the recent science is correct that doesn't bother me. I will still scalp once a year to remove all of the dormant grass and to reset my height of cut.


Go ahead and scalp your yard if you want a bunch of early season weeds. Warm seasons grasses like bermuda will start growing around late march, anything you do before then other than pre emergent herbicide just promotes more weeds, which the lawn care companies can charge you more money treat.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6242 posts
Posted on 2/24/24 at 3:10 pm to
I’m good. Thanks!!
Posted by Tifway419
Member since Sep 2022
885 posts
Posted on 2/24/24 at 5:00 pm to
quote:

Go ahead and scalp your yard if you want a bunch of early season weeds.
What’s your thought process behind this, just curious
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6242 posts
Posted on 2/24/24 at 5:59 pm to
Not a lot of thought. If the pre em is down in the fall and spring I could just about bare dirt and not have weeds. If you applied a pre em then scalping in no way, shape, or form promotes weeds. (I know you know this tif)

Bermuda is growing in dfw right now so I know the south la Bermuda boys have green coming through. Current soil temp in BR is 62.

Posted by tiger2180
Member since Nov 2015
421 posts
Posted on 2/24/24 at 7:36 pm to
quote:

What’s your thought process behind this, just curious



Not sure if serious? So scalping helps the base grass green up earlier ,but it has no effect on the germination of other undesirable plants?
Posted by tiger2180
Member since Nov 2015
421 posts
Posted on 2/24/24 at 7:50 pm to
quote:

Some of the recent science says it doesn't work


The science has been around for quite a while. At least since the 90’s.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
19075 posts
Posted on 2/24/24 at 7:52 pm to
quote:

So scalping helps the base grass green up earlier ,but it has no effect on the germination of other undesirable plants?


People who deliberately scalp their Bermuda have very few weeds to worry about because they are also dedicated to a pre emergent program and maintain the very best cultural practices.

If you have a healthy, thick, stand of Bermuda then you have one hell of a root system. Ain’t much gettin’ through it.

How does your argument hold up to an elite Bermuda golf green? Essentially scalped non stop…
Posted by tiger2180
Member since Nov 2015
421 posts
Posted on 2/24/24 at 7:57 pm to
quote:

People who deliberately scalp their Bermuda have very few weeds to worry about because they are also dedicated to a pre emergent program and maintain the very best cultural practices.

If you have a healthy, thick, stand of Bermuda then you have one hell of a root system. Ain’t much gettin’ through it.

How does your argument hold up to an elite Bermuda golf green? Essentially scalped non stop…


Quite a difference between an elite golf green and the average home lawn…. And that is the problem with most of the advice with lawn care.
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