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Posted on 1/11/24 at 6:02 pm to chalmetteowl
That is a fair point.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 6:06 pm to Scruffy
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Not only do the people running the show not care, but the people bitching about it actually don’t care either.
Exactly. It’s going to be wildly different for a while until the market values settle, but what it’s also going to do is create parity and lead to more competitive games week to week. Everyone loves to bitch about this when a player leaves but you don’t hear a peep when someone good transfers in and fills a gaping hole in the roster. There will be haves and have nots but overall more teams will be hopeful and still in it for a longer period, especially with an expanded playoff.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 6:16 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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No. Race of the athletes has nothing to do with it.
Race of the athletes is a big reason why people who otherwise don’t GAF about college sports say they’re happy for athletes to be “empowered”. They were tired of mostly white coaches and schools making millions while black for the most part athletes put their bodies on the line.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 6:44 pm to HC87
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From day one NIL should have been a stipend determined by year (FR, SOPH, JR, SR) and have an annual built in escalator for COLA. The university ADs and NCAA could have figured it out. The FR at LSU or Bama would get the same as the FR at Vandy or Ark
What you explained is not NIL, nor does it solve anything.
The NCAA could adapt a pay for play strategy, where schools are getting involved in the payment of players directly, with rules in place (kind of like a salary cap). This brings in another set of problems though, bc now title 9 comes into play. If you are paying out 5 mil to mens sports, you'll have to pay out 5 mil to women's sports as well.
It also doesn't solve the problem of NIL. NIL is legal, and the court system says so, regardless of what the NCAA says. So you can put in that pay for play, but certain teams will still be able to get around it by players getting NIL deals for players.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:00 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Supreme Court deciding that college football players live in a capitalist society like anyone else.
Which ignored collegiate rules.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:06 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Not sure how you view this a collectively bargaining:
Collective bargaining is the process in which working people, through their unions, negotiate contracts with their employers to determine their terms of employment, including pay, benefits, hours, leave, job health and safety policies, ways to balance work and family, and more.
This is just a proposal for an NCAA By-law capping how much member institutions can directly pay student-athletes for the use of NIL. What NIL deals that a student-athlete is able to attract outside of the school's NIL payment is whatever the market will bear. There is no real way of capping same, but capping what a school can pay directly combined with an ban on collectives will move NIL more to its intended purpose and away from pay-for-play.
After posting my initial response I read an article that this or a very similar proposal was actually in the works.
Collective bargaining is the process in which working people, through their unions, negotiate contracts with their employers to determine their terms of employment, including pay, benefits, hours, leave, job health and safety policies, ways to balance work and family, and more.
This is just a proposal for an NCAA By-law capping how much member institutions can directly pay student-athletes for the use of NIL. What NIL deals that a student-athlete is able to attract outside of the school's NIL payment is whatever the market will bear. There is no real way of capping same, but capping what a school can pay directly combined with an ban on collectives will move NIL more to its intended purpose and away from pay-for-play.
After posting my initial response I read an article that this or a very similar proposal was actually in the works.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 8:09 pm to ApexTiger
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Posted on 1/12/24 at 4:58 am to ApexTiger
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What simple change will correct course?
Going back to the old way, where athlete got an education for free and put a limit on amount of money any player can be allowed to make. Can’t give them large sums of money because it will never be enough. It’s out of hand now and will only get worse.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 5:43 am to Ponchy Tiger
quote:This is the only path I see that is remotely viable.
yes there is. Start paying players directly and all incoming freshman must sign a 2 year contract. After 2 years they redo it it transfer. By making them professionals and paying them. It also solves the title 9 problem. They are now employees of the university so title 9 is gone and that will free up 85 scholarships that count on the title 9 total.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 5:55 am to Scruffy
quote:My gut is that we’re close to a tipping point where you start to see some burnout.
Yep, and the best part is, every one of the fans who are bitching will tune in to watch multiple games. The viewership numbers prove that. Not only do the people running the show not care, but the people bitching about it actually don’t care either.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 5:59 am to shoelessjoe
quote:What part of this now being illegal af are y’all not getting? The solution to the problem isn’t going to be nearly this simple unfortunately.
put a limit on amount of money any player can be allowed to make. Can’t give them large sums of money because it will never be enough.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:25 am to Chef Curry
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Making money off your name, image and likeness has a completely different meaning me to than the reality we see. These kids should be responsible for seeking out their own money making endeavors. Schools shouldn’t have any ties whatsoever to NIL.
Well, technically, I think the schools don't have ties to the NIL. Also, you will always have boosters wanting to pony up money for their school to be the best. The boosters get together and form the collective. They have their attorneys draw up shite that fits the law. There is some small appearance/autograph session, etc for these said boosters that makes it payment for their Name/Image/Likeness. This is law under the SCOTUS ruling. There isn't really a way for coaches or the NCAA to change it. That horse is out of the barn and it's not going back. NCAA failed to act years ago and helped create this when the fought it for years.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:27 am to ApexTiger
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NIL is not about Name, image or likeness
it's has become "I need to get paid"
I would guarantee you that somewhere in the legal documents in their NIL agreements there is an appearance, autograph session, photo op or somethings that makes i be about NIL. You are seeing what you want to see and no the document drawn up by attorneys that fits exactly what the Supreme Court ruling said.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:14 am to ApexTiger
The late Mike Leach proposed allowing head coaches to trade players to other colleges if they took NIL money. Treat them like the pros they are.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:23 am to i am dan
Excuse me, you’re saying that the Supreme Court of the United States should be bound by collegiate rules?
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:30 am to ApexTiger
Fans creating this shitshow and then complaining about it has been fun to watch the last couple years.
I'll also point out that Ryan Day tried to play the "we want players who want to be here" and look at all the shite he got for it.
I'll also point out that Ryan Day tried to play the "we want players who want to be here" and look at all the shite he got for it.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 4:05 pm to ApexTiger
NIL isn't the problem. Transfers without sitting out a year is the problem.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 8:58 pm to LSUStar
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On what authority must they sign a two year contract?
There will be a NFL style thing set up with the SEC, Big 10 and a few others. Lets just say 50 top football schools for the discussion. They will form their own division and if a kid wants to play at that level they will have to sign that agreement. Just like the NFL has rules or rookies. If the player doesn't like it they can go to a mid level program and play under their rules. Just like if a player doesn't want play under NFL rules he can go to Canada.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 1:16 am to Ponchy Tiger
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. Lets just say 50 top football schools for the discussion. They will form their own division and if a kid wants to play at that level they will have to sign that agreement.
Do they want a college players Union? Because that’s how they get a players Union.
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