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Let's unpack the NIL problem shall we?
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:08 pm
It was reported yesterday, over 25 Alabama players wanted to re-negotiate their NIL deals right after the Michigan loss and were not real remorseful from the loss.
I can believe it happened, and I can see it pushing buttons and Nick over the edge. "I am out"...
Old School guys can't deal with young people being uncommitted, going back on their commitment or what they agreed to, wanting more money because they heard someone else got paid more, simply boxing coaches in a corner to leverage, thus taking advantage of a situation for selfish gain. This isn't NIL at all...
NIL was never meant to be an open playground to buy players, and coaches having to re-recruit their roster all year long, that's what we're doing and it must stop...
Common sense must prevail...
Having one's hand out is a bad sign of character... Money can do that to people, but wow, this is bad for everyone.
As fans, we're promoting a culture we hate in order to win football games.
What simple change will correct course?
I can believe it happened, and I can see it pushing buttons and Nick over the edge. "I am out"...
Old School guys can't deal with young people being uncommitted, going back on their commitment or what they agreed to, wanting more money because they heard someone else got paid more, simply boxing coaches in a corner to leverage, thus taking advantage of a situation for selfish gain. This isn't NIL at all...
NIL was never meant to be an open playground to buy players, and coaches having to re-recruit their roster all year long, that's what we're doing and it must stop...
Common sense must prevail...
Having one's hand out is a bad sign of character... Money can do that to people, but wow, this is bad for everyone.
As fans, we're promoting a culture we hate in order to win football games.
What simple change will correct course?
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 12:59 pm
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Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:10 pm to ApexTiger
Allow coaches to purge players at will and have it affect their eligibility.
They want to be treated like adults, treat them like adults.
They want to be treated like adults, treat them like adults.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:11 pm to PureBlood
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Allow coaches to purge players at will and have it affect their eligibility.
They want to be treated like adults, treat them like adults.
give an example of a say 4 star player ready to become a starter next year..but sat this year
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:11 pm to ApexTiger
There is no way to "fix" this. At all. Even a profit sharing deal with all the players will not neutralize the transfer portal or NIL deals. That ship has sailed. The only thing that could bring change is declining TV revenue from lack of interest.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:13 pm to PureBlood
Making money off your name, image and likeness has a completely different meaning me to than the reality we see. These kids should be responsible for seeking out their own money making endeavors. Schools shouldn’t have any ties whatsoever to NIL.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:14 pm to ApexTiger
quote:Would love to read the story. Can you provide the link?
It was reported yesterday, over 25 Alabama players wanted to re-negotiate their NIL deals right after the Michigan loss and were not at that remorseful from the loss.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:14 pm to Chef Curry
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Schools shouldn’t have any ties whatsoever to NIL.
Correct!
The NCAA could say, no more alumni collectives because it's being abused to buy players, game over!
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:16 pm to ApexTiger
it's so out of whack right now I don't know how you get it back
anything ncaa tries and change will be inviting a lawsuit
just look at the one time transfer portal ruling
the coaching turnover and burnout rate is gonna be at an all time high if they don't do something
coaches are gonna make their money and get out
Lincoln Riley already wants to make his money and exit
anything ncaa tries and change will be inviting a lawsuit
just look at the one time transfer portal ruling
the coaching turnover and burnout rate is gonna be at an all time high if they don't do something
coaches are gonna make their money and get out
Lincoln Riley already wants to make his money and exit
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:17 pm to ApexTiger
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NIL was never meant to an open season to buy players, and coaches having to re-recruit their roster all year long, that's what we're doing and it must stop...
How are y’all still unclear on this?
NIL was not a rule or policy that was someone’s idea put into practice, it was the Supreme Court deciding that college football players live in a capitalist society like anyone else. The genie is out of the bottle, the players are getting exactly what someone is willing to pay them, the only practical change possible is limiting the freedom to transfer with impunity, and the NCAA has shown they’re scared shitless of restricting that for fear they’ll be sued, again, under the same premise as before.
This is how things are now, and they aren’t going back.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:18 pm to LSUStar
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There is no way to "fix" this.
Give me the moral reason and legal reason why it can't be fixed?
NIL is not about Name, image or likeness
it's has become "I need to get paid"
These are college students not professionals
how in the hell did we get here?
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:18 pm to ApexTiger
And Nick Saban lied to everyone about his intentions to go to the Dolphins. Looked everyone in the eye and straight up lied.
He has no real moral ground to stand on when it comes to honesty and integrity. He is a hypocrite.
He has no real moral ground to stand on when it comes to honesty and integrity. He is a hypocrite.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:19 pm to PureBlood
Only looking at it from an NIL perspective, and not the fact that colleges still win in this bullshite deal that they have with student athletes with NIL...
set a salary cap that's attainable by each school, and let it ride. I'm talking like let's call it...$850,000 giving you the ability to only give up to $10,000 for each student athlete. If schools don't have the $850k, cap it at some reasonable amount that's proportional to the cost of attendance at the school.
Idk i'm if for a true pay for play scheme, but it seems like that's the only real way to get this done. Super conference, pay for play...everyone else focuses on being a smaller conference that just plays football, and can adopt their models as they wish to govern.
set a salary cap that's attainable by each school, and let it ride. I'm talking like let's call it...$850,000 giving you the ability to only give up to $10,000 for each student athlete. If schools don't have the $850k, cap it at some reasonable amount that's proportional to the cost of attendance at the school.
Idk i'm if for a true pay for play scheme, but it seems like that's the only real way to get this done. Super conference, pay for play...everyone else focuses on being a smaller conference that just plays football, and can adopt their models as they wish to govern.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:19 pm to ApexTiger
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What simple change will correct course?
There isn't one. And nothing they try is likely to work because someone will take it to court and we have seen the court will rule in favor of the players. Everybody is quick to blame the NCAA (and they certainly share blame), but having courts get involved in college athletics is the biggest downfall.
NIL is a good thing, when used as it was intended. A player being on the cover of NCAA should be able to be paid. Livy Dunn having millions of followers, should be allowed to be paid. A player being on a billboard for a company, should be able to be paid. That's what NIL is supposed to be. The NCAA bucked doing this for too long, and once the courts made it legal the NCAA has no way to regulate it. A lot of what we are seeing is boosters handing out checks, which is closer to pay for play than NIL. There is no way to put the genie back in the bottle.
As far as transfer portal. The courts struck that down too. So it's just open season, with no solution in sight.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:21 pm to ApexTiger
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Give me the moral reason and legal reason why it can't be fixed?
The burden in on you to explain how to 'fix' it. The players are now professionals by any reasonable definition. They make money playing football. If you have any thoughts, I would like to see them.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:21 pm to ApexTiger
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It was reported yesterday, over 25 Alabama players wanted to re-negotiate their NIL deals
Negotiate with who?
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:21 pm to Nomadic Bengal
athletics and academic institutions were never meant to go hand in hand
it would not shock me when an institution ends sports on their campus for good if it continues on the current path
it would not shock me when an institution ends sports on their campus for good if it continues on the current path
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:22 pm to ApexTiger
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how in the hell did we get here?
The Supreme Court of the United States.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:23 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
It is part of the right to enter into contracts which the holie Conjobstitution states cannot be impaired by any law, but who on here understands that. This would also prohibit any "legal" monopolies, but who understand that?
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:23 pm to ApexTiger
If there is some form of contractual arrangement associated with NIL that should lock shite up. If there isn’t there should be.
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:24 pm to LSUStar
quote:yes there is. Start paying players directly and all incoming freshman must sign a 2 year contract. After 2 years they redo it it transfer. By making them professionals and paying them. It also solves the title 9 problem. They are now employees of the university so title 9 is gone and that will free up 85 scholarships that count on the title 9 total.
There is no way to "fix" this. At all.
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