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re: Let's unpack the NIL problem shall we?

Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:24 pm to
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10445 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:24 pm to
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Schools shouldn’t have any ties whatsoever to NIL.


Another pleasant fiction. How to ensure this is the case?

Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53774 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:28 pm to
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This is how things are now, and they aren’t going back.


Yah, yah, lot of people arrogantly believe they know the future of college football. "This is the way, it can't be stopped"

No, I say, the adults need to step back in, speak truth, and implement new rules so blatant corruption isn't rampant.

Corruption isn't okay,

I am tired of the world being afraid of the woke culture devoid of values.



Posted by bayou85
Concordia
Member since Sep 2016
8639 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:31 pm to
If everyone stopped re-upping their deals, then it would stop. The problem is some Unis will not stop for the betterment of the NIL issue.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10445 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:32 pm to
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athletics and academic institutions were never meant to go hand in hand




Check your history. How do you think college athletics started?

Still laughing...
Posted by HC87
Coastal NC
Member since Dec 2014
4557 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:33 pm to
From day one NIL should have been a stipend determined by year (FR, SOPH, JR, SR) and have an annual built in escalator for COLA. The university ADs and NCAA could have figured it out. The FR at LSU or Bama would get the same as the FR at Vandy or Ark.

All about providing some stipend for the millions they generate, but NOT what it has become. The current model is NOT sustainable and has ruined CFB as it directly contributes to the massive numbers in the portal and this renegotiating NIL deals BS. They opened up Pandora's Box and now it will be very difficult to reign it back in....
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17321 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:33 pm to
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Corruption isn't okay, I am tired of the world being afraid of the woke culture devoid of values.


Imagine being so obtuse that you call free market economics “woke culture.”
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53774 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:33 pm to
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And Nick Saban lied to everyone about his intentions to go to the Dolphins. Looked everyone in the eye and straight up lied.


Gosh dang it, you're wrong..

Have you not heard Wayne H (Dolphins owner) fly into to BR Christmas eve after Nick told him he was staying at LSU?

It is fact Nick was staying and he said Wayne was so dang persuasive he eventually caved and agreed to it..The back and forth pissed off LSU, I do remember that. it didn't help matters.

we all know Nick regretted Leaving LSU...he missed college football which he mentioned 2 or 3 times in his introduction PC at Alabama...

In summary he DID NOT LIE to LSU! It just how things work out sometimes

Humans make choices under pressure... Wayne put the full court press on and it worked at the nineth hour
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10445 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:33 pm to
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yes there is. Start paying players directly and all incoming freshman must sign a 2 year contract.


On what authority must they sign a two year contract?

Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5541 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:33 pm to
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These are college students not professionals

how in the hell did we get here?
We've been here for a long time.

The 1908 LSU football team was accused of having professional players.

Market forces have wholly shaped college football.


Market Forces

The market wants college football. The demand is in the amount of billions of dollars.

Many schools and most fans want successful college football teams. The demand is in the amount of tens of millions of dollars per school.

Successful college football teams require high-quality athletes.

The demand for high-quality athletes is very high.

High-quality athletes are in scarce supply.

Schools and fans are willing to pay for high-quality athletes. The demand is in the amount of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars per high-quality athlete.


The Results of Market Forces

Stadium expansions, million-dollar coaches, palatial locker rooms, academic centers, dining halls, etc. are the direct result of market forces.

LSU day games, neutral site games, trivial bowl games are the direct result of market forces.

Super conferences, conference championships, and expanded playoffs are the direct result of market forces.

NIL collectives, newly created NIL programs, and multi-million dollar NIL deals are the direct result of market forces.

NIL is a DIRECT result of market forces. If there was no NIL market, there would have been no NIL lawsuit.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53774 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:38 pm to
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Imagine being so obtuse that you call free market economics “woke culture.”


are you intentionally misreading the content in this thread?

Do you think the NCAA is afraid to step in and upset the money train because 80% of the players are black?

Yes or no?



Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101474 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:38 pm to
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From day one NIL should have been a stipend determined by year (FR, SOPH, JR, SR) and have an annual built in escalator for COLA. The university ADs and NCAA could have figured it out. The FR at LSU or Bama would get the same as the FR at Vandy or Ark.

All about providing some stipend for the millions they generate, but NOT what it has become. The current model is NOT sustainable and has ruined CFB as it directly contributes to the massive numbers in the portal and this renegotiating NIL deals BS. They opened up Pandora's Box and now it will be very difficult to reign it back in....


Good post.

At some point the golden egg laying goose is going to be on life support and people are going to be asking where the miracle cure is. It will probably be too late then.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71438 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:39 pm to
What's to stop NIL contracts from rescinding if the player leaves?
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71438 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:40 pm to
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From day one NIL should have been a stipend determined by year (FR, SOPH, JR, SR) and have an annual built in escalator for COLA. The university ADs and NCAA could have figured it out. The FR at LSU or Bama would get the same as the FR at Vandy or Ark.

All about providing some stipend for the millions they generate, but NOT what it has become. The current model is NOT sustainable and has ruined CFB as it directly contributes to the massive numbers in the portal and this renegotiating NIL deals BS. They opened up Pandora's Box and now it will be very difficult to reign it back in....


Title IX means this could never happen.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61927 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:40 pm to
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Negotiate with who?


Pay me more money or I will transfer

(see Zalance Heard)
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 12:41 pm
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28386 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:45 pm to
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What simple change will correct course?


Reinstitute the one year "penalty" for transferring.

It's not NIL by itself that is creating the "free agency". It's that combined with no barriers to transferring.

You can't prohibit a guy from being paid for the use of his NIL. And you can't make the NIL contract tying the player to a certain school. For instance, the contract cannot be expressly predicated on the guy playing at LSU, Alabama, etc. However, in practice, that's exactly what it is. Gordon McKernan agrees to offer a kid a NIL contract...in the event he chooses to play for LSU. If the kid doesn't choose to play for LSU the contract isn't offered. The contract doesn't and can't say it is only binding if the kid plays for LSU. But in practice it is only available to the kid if he plays for LSU. Gordon's not paying to "use" the NIL of a kid playing at Alabama.

NIL is not going away. Pay-for-play is now the reality. Unless and until the players become "employees" of the athletic department, there is no real practical way to cap NIL. If a wealthy business owner wants to pay the star QB $3.5M for use of his NIL though it is really more of an inducement to sign and play for LSU, no one can stop him. But if you want to cap "salary" payments to players it would have to be through the collective bargaining process (like in pro sports). Any caps on NIL unilaterally imposed by the NCAA, conferences, etc, would be struck down in court as an anti-trust violation.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53774 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:50 pm to
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NIL collectives, newly created NIL programs, and multi-million dollar NIL deals are the direct result of market forces.

NIL is a DIRECT result of market forces. If there was no NIL market, there would have been no NIL lawsuit.


you made a solid post...I agree with your post

but you're describing a path for employees rather than students attending a university for and education.

you can not have both...

This is from Nick Saban on recruiting and building a program for success.

#1. Help the person become a better person
#2. Help the person become a good student and graduate
#3. Help the person become the best player than can become


Notice that best player objective is last on his priorities not first? ... This is the Saban doctrine, it's the same as Coach Kelly...

Graduate champions!

We're dealing with a culture pushing back on these values "That's all fine and dandy coach, but I need to get paid more money before we talk about those things" "show me you want me"

it's a hard pass for coaches... but! only because they're getting paid a lot of jack as a professional are they then/now tolerating a culture that is contrary to the values of the program.

It's a huge conflict of interest and core values.



This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 12:52 pm
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28386 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:50 pm to
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From day one NIL should have been a stipend determined by year (FR, SOPH, JR, SR) and have an annual built in escalator for COLA. The university ADs and NCAA could have figured it out. The FR at LSU or Bama would get the same as the FR at Vandy or Ark.



Sounds good....won't work.

If I'm a wealthy business owner who loves LSU and wants to pay the star QB $2.0M...if he chooses to play for LSU...an outside entity, SEC, NCAA, LSU, etc can't prohibit that. It's an anti-trust violation. The player "owns" his NIL. And he can sell/lease it for any amount.

The only way it could possible work is if the player agreed to assign his NIL rights to the school. But what player would do that when he could make significantly more on the free market?
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
4973 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:50 pm to
There needs to be some guard rails in place to keep things from being chaotic like they are now. But that requires the NCAA getting involved and how that works legally is going to be tough.
Maybe the NCAA is sitting back letting the chaos happen until the schools come to them asking to set boundaries and rules.

Can the NCAA set the limits on transfers? If they were able to before, can't they do it now?
I think limiting these guys to 2 transfers is acceptable. But I can see this being a lawsuit.
If it's not legal now why was it legal before for the NCAA to say you can only have 1 transfer and you wait a year before you play.
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
10346 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:54 pm to
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NIL was never meant to be an open playground to buy players,

Really? That is exactly what it was intended to be. Did you or others really think players would accept a pittance for their name, image or likeness and not look to leverage those proceeds for even more money.

A uncontrollable portal is an even bigger problem when combined with NIL.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53774 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:54 pm to
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What's to stop NIL contracts from rescinding if the player leaves?


The NIL contract at the other school

it's like a bidding war for talent

this is way worse than the NFL...at least they have a draft! They have order

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