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re: Committee shoots down proposal for new Lake Charles I-10 Bridge
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:55 am to stout
Posted on 10/25/23 at 4:55 am to stout
Gotta wait til the new governor takes office to start the ball rolling. Can't be having JBE getting the credit for a new bridge being buily for the next century.
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Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:06 am to bbap
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Cause stupid is as stupid does. I'd say a toll on i10 is pretty stupid. Fund it another way.
Damn people in Louisiana are f**king stupid. You either put tolls on it or you raise fuel taxes to pay for it.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:32 am to stout
The blood is on their hands. SMFH
Good job LA…..
Good job LA…..
Posted on 10/25/23 at 5:59 am to CharlesLSU
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Posted on 10/25/23 at 6:26 am to stout
LA gonna LA
Posted on 10/25/23 at 6:37 am to stout
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Committee shoots down proposal for new Lake Charles I-10 Bridge
Ya see, we'll do another "Study" and then we'll know.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 6:58 am to WeeWee
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You either put tolls on it or you raise fuel taxes to pay for it.
I have always believed that raising fuel taxes are okay as long as everyone is pitching in and funds are dedicated to area projects where the funds are generated. For example, fuel taxes generated in X Parish go to X Parish or a Mega Project in X Parish’s metro area. And regionally, local areas can set the taxes as high or low as they want or need infrastructure.
One caveat now is with EV’s since they don’t purchase gasoline or diesel. You could add a Tax at supercharging stations, but at home that taxing that charging could get complicated by adding requirements that EV’s could only be charged on separate meters.
One idea, that maybe some one in the state should float is keeping the current .45 cent sales tax that will roll off in 2025 and use that for state road projects. I think it is bringing in over 400 million a year. The money could be dolled out as I described previously in making sure projects are evenly distributed across the state and not some bridge that might have been needed 10 or 20 years prior but economic changes make it obsolete later like St. Francisville.
Projects that get funding would be decided on a regional level and the .45 cent sales tax can be increased or decreased based on a region’s needs and wants. Of course in this state a state constitutional amendment maybe necessary to ensure the taxes get spent as described.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 7:42 am
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:29 am to MasterJSchroeder
Audubon Bridge = Angola Warden Burl Cain
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:33 am to stout
Seems like they want to explore the refurbishment option for the bridge further. That would only be $200-300mil.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:37 am to stout
I call BS on this. All they have to do is give local truckers a break on the toll. It's called "Dynamic Tolling". Uninformed people have too much power!
RE: "Legislators rejected the deal after trucking firms cried foul over a plan to force them to pay as much as $12.50 when crossing the bridge. Patrick Hay, an executive at Hay Brothers’ trucking company of Lake Charles, said tolls on his vehicles would cost between $65,000 and $75,000 each year — a lot of money for a family-owned company, Hay said."
RE: "Legislators rejected the deal after trucking firms cried foul over a plan to force them to pay as much as $12.50 when crossing the bridge. Patrick Hay, an executive at Hay Brothers’ trucking company of Lake Charles, said tolls on his vehicles would cost between $65,000 and $75,000 each year — a lot of money for a family-owned company, Hay said."
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:41 am to damn_baw69
Many questions remain unanswered. Toll fees are not the only issue with the local politicians.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:44 am to damn_baw69
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Seems like they want to explore the refurbishment option for the bridge further. That would only be $200-300mil.
How is that going to fix the steep grade and lack of shoulders to actually meet interstate standards?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:50 am to damn_baw69
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Seems like they want to explore the refurbishment option for the bridge further. That would only be $200-300mil.
Double that price to totally refurbish the deck and structure.
They also need to add shoulders. And they need to do it while keeping at least one lane of the bridge open. May as well build a new bridge.
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 7:51 am
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:53 am to stout
Let's say that the East and West I-10/210 Interchanges are twelve (12) miles apart and the direct route with the I-10 is nine(9) miles.
Would you take the 210 loop the extra three miles to avoid the toll?
Would you take the 210 loop the extra three miles to avoid the toll?
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:53 am to Tarps99
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have always believed that raising fuel taxes are okay as long as everyone is pitching in and funds are dedicated to area projects where the funds are generated. For example, fuel taxes generated in X Parish go to X Parish or a Mega Project in X Parish’s metro area. And regionally, local areas can set the taxes as high or low as they want or need infrastructure. One caveat now is with EV’s since they don’t purchase gasoline or diesel. You could add a Tax at supercharging stations, but at home that taxing that charging could get complicated by adding requirements that EV’s could only be charged on separate meters. One idea, that maybe some one in the state should float is keeping the current .45 cent sales tax that will roll off in 2025 and use that for state road projects. I think it is bringing in over 400 million a year. The money could be dolled out as I described previously in making sure projects are evenly distributed across the state and not some bridge that might have been needed 10 or 20 years prior but economic changes make it obsolete later like St. Francisville. Projects that get funding would be decided on a regional level and the .45 cent sales tax can be increased or decreased based on a region’s needs and wants. Of course in this state a state constitutional amendment maybe necessary to ensure the taxes get spent as described.
Or you could charge a toll and have nice things like Florida and Texas have.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:55 am to Tarps99
LA is ranked 43 on the Gas Tax list. The last time it was raised was 33 years ago.
"Waguespack noted that the state's 20-cents-per-gallon gas tax has not been changed since 1990 and is not indexed for inflation, like it is in 22 other states, including Arkansas, Alabama and Florida."
Gas Tax last raised in 1990
LA #43 on the Gas Tax list
"Waguespack noted that the state's 20-cents-per-gallon gas tax has not been changed since 1990 and is not indexed for inflation, like it is in 22 other states, including Arkansas, Alabama and Florida."
Gas Tax last raised in 1990
LA #43 on the Gas Tax list
This post was edited on 10/25/23 at 8:09 am
Posted on 10/25/23 at 7:57 am to CharleyLake
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Would you take the 210 loop the extra three miles to avoid the toll?
Yes. Even without the bridge issue, that section of I-10 sucks.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:12 am to tigerpawl
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"Waguespack noted that the state's 20-cents-per-gallon gas tax has not been changed since 1990 and is not indexed for inflation, like it is in 22 other states, including Arkansas, Alabama and Florida
Yeah it may be time. Also going to see more electric vehicles on the road.
We’ve raised registration fees and tied them to road/bridges (specifically the one in BR) but that usually means they raid whatever funding stream that exited before to pay for stupid shite.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:29 am to WeeWee
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Or you could charge a toll and have nice things like Florida and Texas have.
people are retarded about tolls. they act like its 1947 and you have to drive up and hand a dollar or that you cant get a pass or that it wouldnt be essentially free to local residents.
in other words people are retarded
you have people in this thread, otherwise smart people, who are fear mongering that the bridge is about to fall down. completely clueless
the politicians are just as dumb and this bridge will never be built unless the feds bank roll the whole thing.
Posted on 10/25/23 at 8:49 am to NOLALGD
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I'm not a fan of tolls. But for people who are opposed to tolls please tell me, realistically, how this bridge gets funded. We are never raising the gas tax in LA, and most of our other government revenue is constitutionally restricted. Same for a new BR area bridge.
I mean yeah, that’s the rub - ultimately we are going to have to either raise the gas tax or start paying tolls.
I’m not opposed to tolls in general, but I do think we should avoid them on main interstate routes.
I think the fact that the gas tax still isn’t indexed for inflation is pretty absurd. It loses value every year, people know it loses value every year, and we do nothing about it. If we don’t want to increase it back to 1990’s levels that’s one thing, but we should at least be making sure it doesn’t continue to get worse.
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