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re: Can I just say, Apple users frustrate the heck out of me?
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:57 am to efrad
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:57 am to efrad
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HEIF decoding is more intensive than JPEG decoding, but is far more parallelizable than JPEG decoding, so as file sizes get larger and core counts increase in modern devices, it will pay off more and more. Maybe your software is using a shitty single-threaded implementation? Or you have some ancient single core laptop? The rest of the world doesn't need to waste bandwidth, storage, and available processing capacity so you can video edit on your "poor laptop."
For the record it's a 2.4 ghz machine with 16 mb or ram and 4 cores. I bought it at the start of COVID so it's 2.5-3 years old I would guess? (So likely time for an update according to Moore's Law) 99% of what we do on it is the kids school homework, surfing the web and using the Arduino IDE.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 8:05 am
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Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:17 am to LSUtigerME
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To be fair, this thread has very little to do with Apple USERS, outside the vertical video complaint which is in no way limited to Apple users.
^^^ 100% True. I picked a bad title.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:13 pm to Lonnie Utah
sounds like you need to get laid
Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:39 pm to CAD703X
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And Apple still makes video sharing to Android users in texts as miserable as possible.
What is the benefit for them enabling RCS? If you ran Apple, would you do it? I sure as hell wouldn't, it is frustrating if you aren't in their ecosystem for sure, but its a damn good strategy to keep people locked into the ecosystem.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:40 pm to Dam Guide
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it is frustrating if you aren't in their ecosystem for sure
it's frustrating if you are in their ecosystem too
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:19 pm to bbap
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it's frustrating if you are in their ecosystem too
I am not a fan of texting, so people lacking the ability to send me shite through that system doesn't aggravate me.
The biggest pet peeve that I think far far outstrips shitty compressed images and videos I have with this system is my inability to remove myself from groups that have android users in them. That's the real reason we need RCS.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:10 pm to ellesssuuu
quote:Don't know how to be appropriate with others on a public form.
sounds like you
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:45 pm to Dam Guide
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I am not a fan of texting, so people lacking the ability to send me shite through that system doesn't aggravate m
But that doesn't matter. You're only one person. I think we can safely say apple users get pretty frustrated when they try to share videos with friends and family and Apple's decisions to not accept RCS completely fricks that up.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 5:02 pm to Dam Guide
quote:It would make folks like me, CAD, and many others more likely to consider Apple devices.
What is the benefit for them enabling RCS?
quote:Damn good way to keep people locked out, too. I, for one, will absolutely never consider an Apple product, nor recommend them to anyone, until they change their ways.
its a damn good strategy to keep people locked into the ecosystem.
If it works for their bottom line, good for them. But I feel bad for the people who want to use something else but can't, not because they love the product so much but because Apple makes it too much of a pain in the arse to do it. I mean for a while they were even hijacking peoples' text messages via the iMessage system. They might still do that, I don't know.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:02 pm to LSUtigerME
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To be fair, this thread has very little to do with Apple USERS,
The real problem is how simple the vast majority of tech stuff really is (what file formats exist and how can they be converted ? What is an IP address? What is an operating system?) and how totally inept + disinterested the average person is as to how anything works. It’s super simple to convert compression formats within iOS. And OSX can natively convert the files as well. But for the average user to change a phone setting or convert something to make it easier on someone else? Zero consideration, because most people just don’t care and aren’t considerate enough to care (“works for me” attitude).
I’m part of a pretty large family. One project I came up with several years back was to get a picture frame with an email address for my grandmother (she’s currently got around 160 direct descendants). Everyone loves the frame, sending pictures to it. She loves getting them.
So I decided to “next level” the project and help harvest/sort photos on a Synology drive (I would make a share per person, then dump each person’s folder into a share in a plex server which would be able to play from each person individually or in aggregate). I gave up before I started, because Plex doesn’t support HEIC, and I’m not dealing with asking people to convert files or going through the process of converting them for them because it just becomes a hassle (and in this case a never-ending one)
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:09 pm to Hopeful Doc
Wow, I gave up on that kind of stuff when the fam couldn't figure out how to open OneDrive (then SkyDrive) albums. And I mean all of five people.
I know nobody is ever seeing, watching, or listening to anything sourced from my Synology.
There was one Android user in my dude group. Another one of the guys bought the Android user an iPhone, TWICE, because that lone user "caused" text chains to shite the bed, pictures or not. He finally switched to iOS a couple of months ago. He's a Chalmatian, which explains why he was on Android for so long
I know nobody is ever seeing, watching, or listening to anything sourced from my Synology.
There was one Android user in my dude group. Another one of the guys bought the Android user an iPhone, TWICE, because that lone user "caused" text chains to shite the bed, pictures or not. He finally switched to iOS a couple of months ago. He's a Chalmatian, which explains why he was on Android for so long
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:47 pm to LemmyLives
quote:Sounds like there was one dude in your dude group.
There was one Android user in my dude group.
I kid, kind of.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:57 pm to Hopeful Doc
quote:Right. Some people think the general pop is more tech-savvy than 20 or 30 years ago, but I think the opposite. Most people can use tech, but that's because so much dev effort is poured into UI/UX which hides what goes on under the hood. There are plenty of people who sit in front of a computer for 8 hours a day every single day but basic file management is some dark art.
The real problem is how simple the vast majority of tech stuff really is (what file formats exist and how can they be converted ? What is an IP address? What is an operating system?) and how totally inept + disinterested the average person is as to how anything works.
quote:Don't know if there's a way to do it on a synology, but you could host the files on something else and script the conversions. I know it's not quite as plug and play, but it's do-able without hassling everyone else.
So I decided to “next level” the project and help harvest/sort photos on a Synology drive (I would make a share per person, then dump each person’s folder into a share in a plex server which would be able to play from each person individually or in aggregate). I gave up before I started, because Plex doesn’t support HEIC, and I’m not dealing with asking people to convert files or going through the process of converting them for them because it just becomes a hassle (and in this case a never-ending one)
Posted on 9/13/23 at 8:08 pm to Korkstand
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Some people think the general pop is more tech-savvy than 20 or 30 years ago, but I think the opposite.
I fully agree. It gets even worse when you realize the people coding stuff have almost no idea what sits underneath their SDKs, etc. I watched this happen in the early 2000s talking to developers about why they couldn't re-index files in real time on end user machines, etc. Most computer science grads don't get taught what latency is, etc.
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script the conversions
GIMP can batch process files (I assume there is a plugin for HEIC) for conversion.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 8:27 pm to bbap
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But that doesn't matter. You're only one person. I think we can safely say apple users get pretty frustrated when they try to share videos with friends and family and Apple's decisions to not accept RCS completely fricks that up.
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It would make folks like me, CAD, and many others more likely to consider Apple devices.
I am only one person but I bet they keep far more tied to the Apple system than they could possibly gain by opening up. No way CAD ever goes Apple because of just RCS. They aren’t dumb and they aren’t hurting for cash. There isn’t much to gain by opening up.
They are a for profit business, it would simply be idiotic to willing hurt their business model.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:02 pm to Dam Guide
quote:I don't know. I know it has worked for a while now, but I think (or hope) that eventually trapping disgruntled users will be less profitable than attracting and keeping happy users by offering a superior product and value. It irks me that sometimes (most of the time?) the market rewards vendor lock-in as a business model.
I am only one person but I bet they keep far more tied to the Apple system than they could possibly gain by opening up. No way CAD ever goes Apple because of just RCS. They aren’t dumb and they aren’t hurting for cash. There isn’t much to gain by opening up.
They are a for profit business, it would simply be idiotic to willing hurt their business model.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:06 pm to CAD703X
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except... again, HEIF is an ISO standard, created by the MPEG group, and not Apple proprietary.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:09 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Look, I totally get WHY apple chose this file format, I said as much in my original post. My mental frustration here is that there's a simple solution to the problem, yet apple's greed (and let's be honest, that's all it is) prevents that solution from being implemented.
You're saying "let's be honest" but I totally disagree this has anything to do with Apple's greed. Your reasoning doesn't make sense to me. You said it was so they can exclude SD card slots and force people onto iCloud storage more easily, but they're incentivized to stick to JPEG in that situation so they can sell more storage. Besides, HEIF was introduced in iOS 11 in 2017 long after iCloud was already being pushed.
I don't ever put it past Apple to do greedy shite but not every decision is rooted in greed, everyone began switching into HEVC/H.265 video around that same time, it entirely makes sense to use HEIF which is just HEVC for images. and wouldn't you know it, Apple also introduced 8-bit and 10-bit HEVC video decoding in iOS 11 too, so that explains that.
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For the record it's a 2.4 ghz machine with 16 mb or ram and 4 cores.
This doesn't tell me much... intel had quad core CPUs at 2.4GHz 15 years ago. But realistically, it's just an image file, your computer at 3 years old shouldn't have a problem opening an image file. Anyone playing an extremely common HEVC/H.265 video file is using essentially the same algorithm but at 24+ frames per second as opposed to your single image. A variety of phones from a variety of brands works with the format no problem. I don't doubt something is working screwy for you and that sucks but it's got little to do with Apple users or Apple picking a less common but still standard file format with objectively superior compression, capabilities, and decoding at scale.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:13 pm to Korkstand
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The market rewards vendor lock-in
That's been identified as a risk to consumers and businesses for ... quite a while. I've tried, many, many, times to implore clients to make their CI/CD pipelines, processes and standards portable between any cloud they may use (AWS, Azure, GCP, private). I explain that it gives them viability to avoid vendor costs increases, makes maintenance easier, makes finding staff to maintain the cloud assets easier, etc. I nearly always get a nod, and a, "That's nice, but we are committed to AWS."
But, it's not different than mainstream beer. If your dad drank Coors Light, you probably drink Coors Light, and will for decades, and your kid will prefer Coors Light, etc.
There is a difference between emotional/social lock in, and functional lock in, but is one more valuable than the other? How many people would never buy a Ford?
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:15 pm to Lonnie Utah
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For the record it's a 2.4 ghz machine with 16 mb or ram and 4 cores.
You're worried about specs instead of being worried about if it works well or not.
Typical non-Apple user.
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