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re: Has anyone provided evidence that the 2020 was not rigged?
Posted on 8/31/23 at 8:06 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 8/31/23 at 8:06 am to burger bearcat
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Isn't this the entire premise behind Trump and his associates being charged? The accusation being that they "lied" about election fraud.
Nope. Actions, not just words and thoughts.
Anyone who thinks the charges are for lying about election fraud has no idea what actions were taken by Trump’s team to try to steal the election.
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 8:11 am to Mickey Goldmill
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and people will flock to that.
Only a tiny handful.
You would never see a J6 type event again if we had a credible system.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 8:15 am to taylork37
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You are afraid to know the truth because that would mean the lie they sold you is not true
Have you accepted the PROVEN LIE that has consumed the entire DEMOCRAT party and their acolytes in the MAINSTREAM MEDIA and their enforcers in the DOJ for the past SIX YEARS????
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Can you name ONE THING that was a primary DEMOCRAT issue in any of the past 6 national elections that was NOT a lie??
I mean - the ENTIRE output of the Democrat cabal has been a LIE directed at destroying conservatism in general but to absolutely destroy Donald Trump in particular.
Name SOMETHING the Dems do NOT lie about - go ahead -
then ask why WE should believe THEM in their protestations of "most secure and fair election in HISTORY'
defend it -
Posted on 8/31/23 at 8:20 am to Mephistopheles
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Burdens of proof, how do those work?
Pretty sure most precincts require you to prove you are who you say you are. Burden of proof is on the citizen to prove they are a legal voter. Why should in not be incumbent upon election officials to prove to the citizens it was a legal election?
Try entering the country without a passport and claim it their burden of proof that you are not a citizen.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 8:47 am to Penrod
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It’s almost impossible to prove a negative. It is incumbent on those who say it was rigged to prove their assertion.
The fact Hunter's laptop was suppressed before the election certainly affected the election in favor of Democrats. That is election interference.
The fact ballots in drop boxes can't be verified to have been casted by the name on the envelope is obviously exploitable.
There has been reviews of signatures conclusively determined not to match. The handful of cases which judges actually heard evidence were ruled election fraud.
I understand the drop boxes example isn't "evidence", but surely you agree it should not be allowed because it's so easy to manipulate and cheat. Yet, Democrats fight hard to keep it intact. Why?
You have heard the long list of happenings on election night, for whatever reason you refuse to allow your reason to guide you. There is no help for that.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 8:49 am to shoelessjoe
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Lots of evidence just need the courts to take the evidence and hear it.
LINK
Are you serious? Have you gone through this list? Many of these links do not work. Some are from other elections not involving the presidency, some show mistakes that were corrected before final results, many of the links in the 'source' column have nothing to do with the claim.
Example: Item 262 titled "1000000 fake votes found in Kansas" the link actually leads you to a page showing 14 criminal convictions of voter fraud in Kansas dating back to 2005 mostly for voting in 2 states. (ironically this shows the system working)
The tactic here is to throw out as much shite as possible to look impressive hoping that nobody actually takes the time to dig deeper.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:12 am to AGGIES
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Nope. Actions, not just words and thoughts.
If that is the case, then why have Judges said "based on lies" in their rulings? How can they say that with auch authority, when it has been demonstrated in this thread that it is impossible to prove?
And since it is indeed impossible to prove, then that means everyone should have some doubt on some level that the election was stolen. Even if you think its a 1% chance, what if you are wrong and how would you know for certain?
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:43 am to FooManChoo
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Burden of proof is on those that claim the election is rigged.
The problem is that leftists have fought tooth and nail to make sure full and accurate audits and fact-finding endeavors don't happen.
If the election had been fair and honest, the dems wouldn't need to fight forensic audits. Instead, they would want full transparency.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:43 am to burger bearcat
No, that is my problem with all the conspiracy theories. The day after the election I knew it was a scam, but put up or shut up. You cannot convince me that a bunch of Democrats are genius enough to hide something like this.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:48 am to burger bearcat
Plenty of time was available to prove the election was rigged. No proof was provided. The claims that it was rigged were lies.
Lots of sources have told Trump and his lawyers that there was no significant fraud. Clearly not enough to change the outcome of any state.
State legislators in Georgia clearly told him this on a recorded phone call. He told them to lie about that, which they refused to do.
But Trump team made up stories (lies) that fraud occurred anyway.
They said voting machines changed votes. No evidence was presented. Fox News paid millions for repeating those lies knowing they were not proven to be true.
The legal right to bring cases to the courts was provided. They didn’t prove anything to the courts and lost those claims.
Then they tried to bring in fake electors which is the most obvious evidence of conspiracy. So when referring to charges, we’re not just talking about lies.
So their scheme was based on lying to the public when they knew otherwise. Ignoring the truth doesn’t mean you are correct.
Lots of sources have told Trump and his lawyers that there was no significant fraud. Clearly not enough to change the outcome of any state.
State legislators in Georgia clearly told him this on a recorded phone call. He told them to lie about that, which they refused to do.
But Trump team made up stories (lies) that fraud occurred anyway.
They said voting machines changed votes. No evidence was presented. Fox News paid millions for repeating those lies knowing they were not proven to be true.
The legal right to bring cases to the courts was provided. They didn’t prove anything to the courts and lost those claims.
Then they tried to bring in fake electors which is the most obvious evidence of conspiracy. So when referring to charges, we’re not just talking about lies.
So their scheme was based on lying to the public when they knew otherwise. Ignoring the truth doesn’t mean you are correct.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:51 am to burger bearcat
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sn't this the entire premise behind Trump and his associates being charged?
No, the entire “premise” is spelled out in the indictment, along with the list of statues under which he is being charged. None of those statues are related to his “opinion” of the election.
Regardless, in what universe is it desirable to have a president who either knowingly lies about election fraud, or is too petulant or too stupid to accept the results and advice of the people he hired?
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:52 am to burger bearcat
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I don't recall thousands of amti-Trump protesters being hauled away to prison for decades for questioning the results. But maybe you can refresh my memory on that.
I questioned the results and I haven't been hauled to prison, not even for a day.
Are you sure you're being honest here?
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:55 am to andouille
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No, that is my problem with all the conspiracy theories. The day after the election I knew it was a scam, but put up or shut up.
Yeah, I was kinda sympathetic to the cause early on. But as months and now years have rolled by, I'm way over it.
The stolen election mantra is an anchor on the Republican party that will haunt for a long time. Either prove it shut the frick up.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:56 am to burger bearcat
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I don't recall thousands of amti-Trump protesters being hauled away to prison for decades for questioning the results. But maybe you can refresh my memory on that.
Sure thing, they questioned the results without breaking into the US Capitol. Does that help refresh your memory?
Posted on 8/31/23 at 10:01 am to taylork37
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I literally can say the same thing in response to you. You are afraid to know the truth because that would mean the lie they sold you is not true. Something you and a whole majority on this board could not fathom because you are so deep in to it.
Seems like you accept truth because MSM tells you to.
If this saga is "over" why are there continual and ongoing court cases about this very situation? AZ for Lake in Sept for example. You're obviously not a big fan of transparency.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 10:02 am to burger bearcat
There is an election in 2024 - just in case you missed it.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 10:06 am to burger bearcat
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Has anyone provided evidence that the 2020 was not rigged?
Yes. Every local and state election official in America certified the results as accurate.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 10:28 am to AGGIES
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State legislators in Georgia clearly told him this on a recorded phone call. He told them to lie about that, which they refused to do.
The only person lying is you.
Provide the exact quote and point out the part where Trump requested them to "lie" as you stated
Posted on 8/31/23 at 10:42 am to BayouBoogaloo
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re: Has anyone provided evidence that the 2020 was not rigged?Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:51 am to burger bearcat
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sn't this the entire premise behind Trump and his associates being charged?
No, the entire “premise” is spelled out in the indictment, along with the list of statues under which he is being charged. None of those statues are related to his “opinion” of the election.
Regardless, in what universe is it desirable to have a president who either knowingly lies about election fraud, or is too petulant or too stupid to accept the results and advice of the people he hired?
door #3
after trump knowingly lied,
he has asked to be reinstated without further ado and btw just ignore the constitution because MASSIVE FRAUD (WINK, WINK. presentation Monday).
This post was edited on 8/31/23 at 10:45 am
Posted on 8/31/23 at 10:56 am to burger bearcat
quote:Someone does not understand the concept of "burden of proof."
Has anyone provided evidence that the 2020 was not rigged?
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