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re: Which LSU football coach left us the greatest legacy?

Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:05 am to
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:05 am to
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O didn't recruit burrow. It was lsu or Cincy for Burrow. Burrow had a relationship with another lsu coach that O DID NOT hire.



Did Woodward hire this Coach, of who you speak, as well as Pellini?

Burrow, in his Heisman acceptance speech, gave Orgeron the credit for his success.
Hmmmm?
Who are we going to believe, you or Burrow?
Posted by Tiger in Texas
Houston, Texas
Member since Sep 2004
20927 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:01 am to
Charlie Mac may have had longevity, but no championship and usually finished as a 3 loss team. He couldn't beat The Bear and possibly his best team was upset by Ole Piss and they decided not to go to a bowl!!
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
54615 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:11 am to
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urrow, in his Heisman acceptance speech, gave Orgeron the credit for his success. Hmmmm?
he also said he needed a lifetime contract. He was praising the head coach but make no mistake O owes everything to bill Busch and Dave aranda as well as ensminger. They leave an O is revealed as the bum he always was.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:35 am to
O doesn't deserve to be on that list. If it wasn't for that 2019 season he would've overwhelmingly pushed negatives into the program's history. Hell, we lost to Troy. Do people remember how historically terrible that was? He completely decimated the personnel and roster management.

2019 doesn't even happen without Bush on staff. It was him that pushed Burrow to LSU and had a personal relationship with them to get him over to LSU. He's the luckiest coach ever in the history of NCAA. He's like the guy in class for a school project who does nothing while everyone else does the work and gets As for the group project.
Posted by sheek
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Sep 2007
43895 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:29 pm to
Saban. LSU would be a tier just above Ole Miss today if it wasn't for Saban.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:31 pm to
Saban put LSU on the trajectory of modern success that it was on until Ed killed it.

Dietzel and Mac are about on the same level, historic importance but not to be heralded as heroes.

Ed? LOL
Posted by mpwilging
Punta Gorda Isles, Florida
Member since Jan 2011
7027 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:37 pm to
If Bill Arnsparger had stayed a decade or so, he would probably be viewed as the best. Unfortunately we only had him for a few years...
Posted by chimesstreet
Bucks County, PA
Member since Jan 2008
1338 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:49 pm to
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The Miles decade was the greatest 10 year stretch in LSU history. Kept LSU in the championship race right up until the end of his run. That was fun to watch.


It was fun to watch. Undeniably. The grass in Tiger stadium tastes best. But question is legacy. His legacy is forever tarnished by what he did off the field. Like Joe Paterno's legacy is child molestation. It just is.
Posted by LSUFanMizeWay
Picayune MS
Member since Sep 2014
5721 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:06 pm to
Edgar Wingard
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
12596 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:20 pm to
You didn't leave any contenders out; in fact, you can narrow it down to two, Dietzel and Saban.
It was said above that Saban awakened the sleeping giant. This is true but Dietzel gets credit for creating the giant in the first place.
Posted by SligoTiger
South of I-10
Member since Jun 2023
86 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:28 pm to
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Legacy is what he left behind that endures...


I'm older, I grew up in the midwest in the 60's and 70's when college football was a regional sport and Lehigh played on national TV. I didn't know much about southern football back then but I knew Bear Bryant and I knew Cholly Mac. I never saw Auburn or Georgia or Florida on TV. But I did see LSU, because LSU was good.

Cholly Mac had LSU in the AP Top 20 for almost two decades, and LSU was a regular in the Orange Bowl, Cotton Bowl, and Sugar Bowl back when there were only a dozen bowl games. I learned all about LSU's cool stadium, big rivalries, and crazy fans during that time period. I couldn't even tell you where the hell Auburn was located or that Florida even played football. But I knew all about LSU.

That's the legacy that carried LSU into the national spotlight, the legacy that attracted Dale Brown and Skip Bertman and, eventually, Nick Saban.
Posted by Falco
Member since Dec 2018
1301 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:45 pm to
I know it's easy to hate Les Milea but him not being on this list is a straight travesty. Despite how it ended (LSU still never had a losing season and 8 wins was the worst season) LSU was in contention pretty much each year.


Some may take into account the recent loss of wins, those same individuals may make excuses for Wade in basketball (many have, I've looked)


Les despite all his shortcomings has been the greatest coach at LSU since Cholly Mac or you can say Saban based on where LSU was at the time. Facts are Les led LSU the the greatest 12 year stretch in their history and during that time LSU was a legit top 5-10 team.

People love to hate him based on recent issues and the fact he was fired, a lot of people post, "I wish he was never hired" or "I knew he would run them into the ground" when in reality he did neither. His methods may not have been what everyone wanted and after 2011 he caved but he was a damn good coach for LSU.
Posted by redbean5
Member since Jan 2008
2223 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 2:16 pm to
No Miles on the list, he was responsible for the blond hair trainers with big tits.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37779 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 2:30 pm to
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Some may take into account the recent loss of wins, those same individuals may make excuses for Wade in basketball (many have, I've looked)
I'm not sure your point with this, LSU Basketball didn't vacate any wins. LSU Football vacated 37 wins.

My issue with Miles now is his creepy sexual misconduct stuff with LSU students. At worst, Wade was making it rain from his wife's bank account. How some people see the latter as worse, I'll never understand.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
31016 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

If Bill Arnsparger had stayed a decade or so, he would probably be viewed as the best. Unfortunately we only had him for a few years...




Maybe. If Be rein had not died...
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37779 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 2:40 pm to
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Just double checked the transcript to make sure, but he never mentioned anything about fans or the brook trout look in that first press conference.
I watched the press conference live in 1999, but I could easily be mistaken considering it was 24 years ago.

Also, I am aware of the difference between catastrophe syndrome, brook trout look, etc. as Saban used the terms. It was more of an amalgamation to not get too long winded.

quote:

Crowds like that were not one of them.
The crowd that chanted L-S-U during the TV timeout after UGA scored on a 93-yard screen pass to tie the game 10-10 late in the 4th was very different than the typical "here we go again" response.

That said, good discussion, just feel like we're just going to disagree on some things here.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
3061 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 3:31 pm to
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LSU had already proven that a football national championship was possible in 1908 in which they were the first school in the south to win it. All the previous schools were the Ivy League schools, Michigan or Chicago...


The NCF didn’t declare LSU the 1908 co-national champions until 1981. At the time Dietzel led LSU to the title in 1958, no one thought LSU had ever won a title.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12507 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

was very different than the typical "here we go again" response.

Very true. My point is, that "here we go again" response was not typical of most fans, and hardly typical of any crowds outside of the '92-'94 era. Ear-splitting crowd noise through a TV timeout in the 2nd quarter was not at all uncommon in the '80s if LSU was on defense. Just ask Bucky Richardson or Pat Nix.

Of course we didn't typically have the team on the field to match the crowd, but that's where Saban built his legacy, imo.

quote:

That said, good discussion, just feel like we're just going to disagree on some things here.

All good!
I'd much rather spend time talking about how great LSU crowds are than reading people complaining about [insert stupid Rant complaint here].

Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
37779 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:23 pm to
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All good!

I'd much rather spend time talking about how great LSU crowds are than reading people complaining about [insert stupid Rant complaint here].



I wasn't really trying to do that. Maybe it comes across that way and I can understand. I believe our crowd has been passionate prior to when I was a twinkle in my daddy's eyes.

I also come from Saints fandom, so that likely influences my perspective.

Btw, if you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

You don't have to answer, just curious considering it's interesting to see good takes from fans older than me and younger and that's pretty much everyone.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12507 posts
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:52 pm to
I'm 53. I started at LSU in '88, but my folks were taking me to games since I was a baby (so literally longer than I can remember).

So much of the world in general has changed dramatically since those old days that comparisons really lose most of their meaning. The whole approach to LSU football as a fan was just so much different. The vast majority of people almost never got to actually see a game. So few of them were on tv that you really needed to find a ticket and actually go sit in the stadium to see the Tigers play. That made attending the games at all a genuine privilege, and an experience to be cherished every second just because you got to be there at all. The notion of leaving early or complaining about the quality of the opponent would have seemed alien to us back then.

Also, there was so much less coverage, especially nationally. We followed what LSU was doing, what Ole Miss and Tulane were doing, usually what the rest of the SEC was doing, and you always heard about what happened with Notre Dame, Oklahoma/Nebraska, Ohio State/Michigan, and Army/Navy. Beyond that, it was largely hit or miss on whether you would find anything about a game beyond the score. So there was a lot less of the "grass is greener" bs. We were LSU fans and we loved LSU and LSU's coaches and players. And when we lost, we hated the bums. And if we made a bowl game, that was great because only a handful of teams earned that honor. We were never "disappointed" with a "lesser bowl bid", and we always appreciated a win, even if it was against Rice.

Don't know if any of that made sense, but it's hard to explain. Things were just different, and presumably because that's how I was introduced to LSU football I think it was better. That seems to be how emotional attachments often work.

Tl;dr: I'm old.

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