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re: Source: Extra-inning, extra-runner rule to remain (MLB)

Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:47 pm to
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101930 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:47 pm to
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This is the dumbest rule chance in the history of sports


It's not even the dumbest baseball rule change in the 2020s. It's not even second dumbest.

It's still pretty fricking dumb though.



ETA: Banning the shift and limiting pick-off attempts are both dumber.
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
8603 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:50 pm to
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limiting pick-off attempts are both dumber.


This is definitely the truth, this rule change is going to be total insanity.

The shift rule is lame, but not as game breaking as this one.
Posted by ChanceOfRainIsNever
Far from Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
2141 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 8:58 pm to
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Banning the shift and limiting pick-off attempts are both dumber.


It’s not lame, the players refused to adjust and kept mindlessly hitting into the shift and striking out trying to hit over it. The league had to do something, it was killing the product
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 9:00 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48743 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:00 pm to
How big of a lead can the runner take when the limit has been reached?
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
45093 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:02 pm to
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It’s not lame, the players refused to adjust



I used to see it this way, but I've changed my mind on the shift ban.

Pitchers have an inherent advantage over hitters solely by the fact that they're throwing a small object very hard in a very short distance and it takes superhuman hand-eye coordination to be a big league hitter.

Because pitchers have this inherent advantage over hitters, the analytics boom has been a MASSIVE advantage for pitchers. Banning the shift finally gives something back to the hitters.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
45093 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:07 pm to
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How big of a lead can the runner take when the limit has been reached?


Pitcher does get a third pickoff attempt, but if he doesn't get the runner out, the runner gets to move up a base.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 9:08 pm
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101930 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:10 pm to
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It’s not lame, the players refused to adjust and kept mindlessly hitting into the shift and striking out trying to hit over it. The league had to do something, it was killing the product


The shift wasn't killing the product, it's been around 100 years to one degree or another. Local blackouts are killing the product. And even then MLB clearly isn't hurting financially.
Posted by ChanceOfRainIsNever
Far from Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
2141 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:21 pm to
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The shift wasn't killing the product, it's been around 100 years to one degree or another.


It definitely was. Not only were players not making adjustments but teams pitch to the shift. For 100 years players went the other way and tried to beat it. You’re 100% right on the blackout rules, they’re stupid and make no sense
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
5678 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:30 pm to
It's weird because the positions are already a 'shift'. Those positions exist because over time they realized those are the most strategic positions. But now they HAVE to stand there. That's weird. You know, this probably happened when they first figured out and standardized the modern fielding positions, batting went down. What if they had freaked out about the product like you?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48743 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:32 pm to
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Pitcher does get a third pickoff attempt, but if he doesn't get the runner out, the runner gets to move up a base.


Wow. Not a fan of this.
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 9:33 pm
Posted by ChanceOfRainIsNever
Far from Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
2141 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:33 pm to
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What if they had freaked out about the product like you?


Who’s freaking out? If like mindless strikeouts and hitting into the shift then good for you. Other sports change their rules due to different trends why can’t baseball
Posted by DoctorWorm
Member since Jul 2021
853 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 9:37 pm to
manfred go to hell
Posted by LurkerTooLong
Lakeview, NOLA
Member since Aug 2016
1862 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 10:30 pm to
I apologize for the downvote, but I hate this fricking rule.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
16101 posts
Posted on 2/13/23 at 10:41 pm to
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a runner will be placed on second base to begin the inning,
that’s not baseball. Idk what it is but it’s not baseball
This post was edited on 2/13/23 at 10:42 pm
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101930 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:40 am to
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Not only were players not making adjustments but teams pitch to the shift. For 100 years players went the other way and tried to beat it.


I guess I see the fix being on the hitters/coaches instead of the rules. One of the key points of moneyball was to place a higher emphasis on getting on base, seems like guys would work in that direction and be coached in that direction.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7667 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:51 am to
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Local blackouts are killing the product.


local?
have you seen the MLB blackout rules? they might be the dumbest blackout rules in American sports.

i'm blacked out of the 2 Texas teams even though I'm not realistic driving distance from either of them, and damn sure don't live close enough to catch their local channels.

people in Iowa don't have an in-state team, and are blacked from SIX teams games.


Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101930 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 8:53 am to
Excuse me, you are correct. "Local" blackouts are killing baseball.

I am blacked out from Braves (3 hour drive) and Reds (4 hour drive) games which fortunately doesn't impact me too much as an Astros fan.

The Braves seem to be the biggest fan base here though and it's not like you can just drive down for a Tuesday night game.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 8:54 am
Posted by Eat Your Crow
caught beneath the landslide
Member since May 2017
9190 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:19 am to
frick Manfred
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31478 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:27 am to
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That's some tee ball level bullshite


it fricking sucks. they started doing bases loaded and 2 outs at the lower levels. shite sucks. changes the whole game.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
33731 posts
Posted on 2/14/23 at 9:30 am to
Royals are blacked out in Wichita even though its a 3ish hour drive to Kauffman from here.
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