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re: Smoke of Brady and Payton teaming up together next year
Posted on 12/28/22 at 3:59 am to XNATiger
Posted on 12/28/22 at 3:59 am to XNATiger
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Brees hasn’t been able to make since 2016
That's a complete bullshite lie.
I refuse to believe this is happening though. Not getting my hopes up until Sean is on my tv telling me it's great to be back in New Orleans and he's bringing Tom Brady with him.
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 6:34 am to GynoSandberg
Yep, brady is way more washed than brees was. But id still take it over what we have
Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:12 am to josh336
Looking at the stats there’s not a whole lot separating Brady & Winston/Dalton/Hill.
Tom Brady 2022 Stats:
Comp %: 66.0
Yards: 4178
TD: 21
Int: 9
Saints Team 2022 Stats:
Comp %: 65.4
Yards: 3347
TD: 23
Int: 13
If TB12 would come CHEAP & we get CSP back:
HELL YEA GIMME THAT ALL DAY !!!!!
Tom Brady 2022 Stats:
Comp %: 66.0
Yards: 4178
TD: 21
Int: 9
Saints Team 2022 Stats:
Comp %: 65.4
Yards: 3347
TD: 23
Int: 13
If TB12 would come CHEAP & we get CSP back:
HELL YEA GIMME THAT ALL DAY !!!!!
Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:43 am to RightWingTiger
Y’all are going to be so disappointed. This is being put out there to up the trade value for Payton. Nothing more nothing less
Posted on 12/28/22 at 8:47 am to GeauxTigers0107
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Brees hasn’t been able to make since 2016
That’s BS. If you are to point to when it started going down it was after 2018 Cincy game. IF
Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:04 am to XNATiger
Some of you and your revisionist history. Brees had one of his most efficient seasons in 2018 and we were looking like the best team in the league most of the year, in large part to him.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:18 am to Starchild
Yep. 2020 and late 2019 brees are inplanted in their brains
Posted on 12/28/22 at 10:15 am to Starchild
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most efficient seasons in 2018
Efficient isn't the same dynamic or explosive especially in terms of the vertical passing game. Fans keep referring to Brees still being efficient in his latter years as some example that he hadn't began to lose arm strength but that's simply not the case.
Payton was still able to scheme efficient offensive game plans around Brees' declining arm strength using intermediate & underneath routes but the offense was nowhere as near as dynamic as it was while Brees was in his prime. There were certain routes that simply had to be taken out of game planning because Brees was no threat to completing them. Yet Payton played to the strengths still had. His ability to read coverages & still be deadly accurate in the shorter passing game hence Brees' high completion percentages despite losing arm strength.
The decline was slow & barely noticeable for a few seasons but it first started after he bruised his rotor cuff in 2015.
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Orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews examined the MRI scans for New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees and confirmed the original diagnosis: that Brees has a bruised rotator cuff but there is no indication of a tear, a source told ESPN's Ed Werder.
As a result, Brees said there is a "reasonable possibility'' he can play Sunday against the Carolina Panthers, according to the source, but a determination for his availability for practice and the game will be determined as the week evolves.
Andrews told Brees his rehab program this week is critical to making a quick and complete recovery, the source said. Andrews also compared the MRI performed Monday to the one Brees had at the end of last season. Brees ended up playing through that shoulder injury.
Andrews was the surgeon who performed major reconstructive shoulder surgery on Brees in the offseason before the quarterback signed with the Saints in 2006.
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The problem with the dink & dunk method of offense is that when an offense has to come up against better defensive coaches, schemes & players in the playoffs, those defenses are prone to take away what an offense does best. This is the reason we saw so many lulls in the offense in the last 4 playoff losses under Brees/Payton. Without the ability or the threat of the big pass play downfield, the offense would get bogged down & stuck in the mud.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 11:09 am to BigWillyMetry
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Washed my arse. Drew was washed, if you think Brady is anywhere near Drew’s last season or Peyton’s last season I don’t know what to tell you.
This is dumb. The posters who don't know what the hell they are talking about alway stick out like a sore thumb.
I don't understand how anyone can watch Bucs games this season & believe Tom Brady is playing QB at a high level. He's not. A big reason for that is a decimated offensive line. They can't run the ball nor protect him very well. He's getting rid of the ball early at times to try to protect himself from getting hit & it's throwing off the timing with his receivers.
The offensive line is part of the problem, yes but he's 45 years old. He got smoked several times in the second half against the Bengals. The old man's body can't take those hits in the pocket like he did at 25 or even 35. The soreness from the bumps & bruises hurt more & last longer at his age now. That's the reason he tries to avoid hits so much now & goes down easily at the sight of pressure but he can't avoid the hits all the time. Even the non sack hits add up.
Brees even talked about it since he retired about how the hits add up causing an older QB to try to play the position without all the tools in your tool bag because you are trying to play through pain.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 11:30 am to Townedrunkard
Imagine all of the PI and roughing the passer calls that we would get.
I just am trying to picture our o-line if Brady were to come here. Penning, Peat, Ruiz, McCoy, Ramczyk, with Kamara in the backfield, WRs Olave, Shaheed, Thomas.
I just am trying to picture our o-line if Brady were to come here. Penning, Peat, Ruiz, McCoy, Ramczyk, with Kamara in the backfield, WRs Olave, Shaheed, Thomas.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 6:06 pm to BigWillyMetry
Drew finished 2020 as the 6th best QB in the league. He probably walked away a year or two early.
Peyton is the one who was completely washed while playing in 2015.
Drew's arm strength had definitely declined, but he was SO GOOD, He was able to be 6th IN SPITE OF the waning arm strength.
Tom is neither. Tom can still sling it like Drea could back in 2014/2015.
He was NEVER as good as prime Brees, but he could absolutely quarterback THIS healthy Saints squad to 14-3 Super Bowl champs.
Peyton is the one who was completely washed while playing in 2015.
Drew's arm strength had definitely declined, but he was SO GOOD, He was able to be 6th IN SPITE OF the waning arm strength.
Tom is neither. Tom can still sling it like Drea could back in 2014/2015.
He was NEVER as good as prime Brees, but he could absolutely quarterback THIS healthy Saints squad to 14-3 Super Bowl champs.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 12:43 pm to jepapo
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He probably walked away a year or two early.
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Drew Brees: 'I only really felt good in one game' during 2020 campaign
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Speaking Wednesday from TPC Louisiana ahead of the Pro-Am golf charity tournament, Brees said he only felt right for one game: Week 4 in Detroit.
"I only really felt good in one game, from the perspective of, I had all the tools in my toolbox," he said, referring to the Week 4 road outing, per the team's official website. "I had a lot of limitations throughout the season as to what I could and couldn't do, and I recognized that. And that's really hard for a competitor. That's really hard when you know what you should be able to do, and yet you can't because of various injuries, or things that are taking place with your body.
"Some of those things are just kind of freak things -- tear a plantar fascia, you get damage in your shoulder, you get the broken ribs, the punctured lung. You get all this stuff that's going on -- this abdominal thing that I was dealing with for pretty much most of the season that, as a quarterback, everything you do is rotation.
"And you can't rotate the way that you want, you all of a sudden begin to accommodate in ways and everything for you kind of narrows. Because it's like, 'Well I know I can't make that throw, I can't make that throw, I can't make that throw. So, what's now in my toolbox?' And it's harder to play the game that way. And yet, you've got to find a way still to get it done. And I felt like we did that, but it was difficult."
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"If my arm wasn't put together with 13 anchors, I'd play until I was 45," The now-43-year-old Brees said. "And here's Tom doing it because it takes a lot of commitment and sacrifice and not everybody could do it."
Brees tore his labrum and underwent surgery to repair the torn cartilage in what was his dislocated throwing shoulder in January of 2006. Despite later signing with New Orleans and playing at an elite level for another 15 seasons, Brees knew at the time of his surgery that this type of injury would eventually catch up to him and force him to step away, which it did in 2020.
"It became a great struggle to be healthy enough to go out there and really perform at the highest level just with the limitations that I had," Brees said about his final season with the Saints. "I could dice you up inside of 40 yards all day long. But it became harder and harder to do things downfield."
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This post was edited on 12/29/22 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:48 pm to Snipe
Where in Metry would Tom live?
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:52 pm to XNATiger
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Brady can still make throws today that Brees hasn’t been able to make since 2016 or so. The one to Evans in OT a few nights ago is a good example.
This is true. Brady still has the arm strength, but he's just not as comfortable in the pocket as he used to be. He's rushing and his timing is off. Could be because of Tampa's struggling O-line due to all the injuries. Not sure.
No chance Brady is 100% mentally into it right now either. You have to wonder if he'll ever get that back.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:54 pm to Eat Your Crow
Tom rented Derek Jeter’s Tampa house for a year. He could likely rent Drew’s condo in the WTC. His yacht would have a home at the SYC and would be an easy relocation from and back to Florida after his time in black and gold is complete.
This post was edited on 12/30/22 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 12/30/22 at 8:01 pm to Eat Your Crow
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Brady still has the arm strength, but he's just not as comfortable in the pocket as he used to be. He's rushing and his timing is off. Could be because of Tampa's struggling O-line due to all the injuries.
This is 100% what the issue is. His play and caution is identical to his final season in New England, where his quick check downs were drawing boos from the Patriots home crowds by the end of the season. He was protecting himself for the future, which is exactly what he has been doing this year with Werfs and Jenson out.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 8:05 pm to BigBrod81
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I don't understand how anyone can watch Bucs games this season & believe Tom Brady is playing QB at a high level. He's not. A big reason for that is a decimated offensive line. They can't run the ball nor protect him very well. He's getting rid of the ball early at times to try to protect himself from getting hit & it's throwing off the timing with his receivers.
Watch the Patriots and Titans playoff game on YouTube, or the Patriots at Texans game from late in that same season on YouTube. Tom looked worse down the stretch in that season than he has this year. He’s not washed, he’s on a mission to protect himself for bigger and better things.
This post was edited on 12/30/22 at 8:06 pm
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