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re: This opting out BS has to be fixed
Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:02 am to HubbaBubba
Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:02 am to HubbaBubba
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The "issue" will never be fixed. The bowl games, before BCS, were all exhibition games. Until 1965, the AP voted on the final poll before the bowl games. The Coaches Poll waited until 1974. The playoffs are going to amplify the issue because you're going to have teams in the playoffs, and the games are going to be affected by which teams lose players and which don't.
Exactly. There is nothing to fix. The playoffs have rendered most bowl games almost like a post season spring game. They really don’t mean much.
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Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:47 am to chalmetteowl
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Lots of good bowl game performances (when everyone was watching) moved guys up on draft day and made them millions of dollars
Pro scouts do not move guys up because they had a good bowl game
Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:55 am to H-Town Tiger
A 10 win season is at stake. It would be nice to see these kids think about the program instead of themselves.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 10:36 am to WDAIII
These players may disagree:
1-Tyrone Prothro broke his leg in the fourth quarter of the Florida-Alabama game in 2005, and that was the end of his football career. While he lost the future he once dreamed of, he also continued on and led a fairly normal life. As of 2011, he was a bank teller and was still having surgeries to repair the leg.
2-Chuckie Mullins made his final tackle for Ole Miss on Oct 28, 1989. He injured his spinal cord on that play, and he would not recover. His football days ended in that moment, but complications from the injury claimed his life just two years later. Mullins' name is attached to the courage award given every season at Ole Miss.
3-Marcus Lattimore lost use of his second knee in two seasons against Tennessee in 2012. He has made a remarkable recovery since then, and was drafted by the San Francisco 49ers as the 131st pick of the 2013 cycle. Lattimore should have a good career in the NFL, barring further injury of course. That in itself is a testament to his grit and determination. The injury tried to end his career, but he simply refused to let it take more than college. Willis McGahee and Lattimore had eerily similar injuries. McGahee missed the remainder of one bowl game, and Lattimore missed four complete games. That is why Lattimore appears one spot higher than McGahee on this list.
1-Tyrone Prothro broke his leg in the fourth quarter of the Florida-Alabama game in 2005, and that was the end of his football career. While he lost the future he once dreamed of, he also continued on and led a fairly normal life. As of 2011, he was a bank teller and was still having surgeries to repair the leg.
2-Chuckie Mullins made his final tackle for Ole Miss on Oct 28, 1989. He injured his spinal cord on that play, and he would not recover. His football days ended in that moment, but complications from the injury claimed his life just two years later. Mullins' name is attached to the courage award given every season at Ole Miss.
3-Marcus Lattimore lost use of his second knee in two seasons against Tennessee in 2012. He has made a remarkable recovery since then, and was drafted by the San Francisco 49ers as the 131st pick of the 2013 cycle. Lattimore should have a good career in the NFL, barring further injury of course. That in itself is a testament to his grit and determination. The injury tried to end his career, but he simply refused to let it take more than college. Willis McGahee and Lattimore had eerily similar injuries. McGahee missed the remainder of one bowl game, and Lattimore missed four complete games. That is why Lattimore appears one spot higher than McGahee on this list.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:06 am to WDAIII
If you take a scholarship to play football games, you should play the football games. Just my opinion.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:11 am to WDAIII
There's no point in bowl games anymore unless it's playoff match ups. No one wants to play in meaningless games anymore unless they are non power 5 teams
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:18 am to mpwilging
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These players may disagree:
1-Tyrone Prothro broke his leg in the fourth quarter of the Florida-Alabama game in 2005, and that was the end of his football career. While he lost the future he once dreamed of, he also continued on and led a fairly normal life. As of 2011, he was a bank teller and was still having surgeries to repair the leg.
2-Chuckie Mullins made his final tackle for Ole Miss on Oct 28, 1989. He injured his spinal cord on that play, and he would not recover. His football days ended in that moment, but complications from the injury claimed his life just two years later. Mullins' name is attached to the courage award given every season at Ole Miss.
3-Marcus Lattimore lost use of his second knee in two seasons against Tennessee in 2012. He has made a remarkable recovery since then, and was drafted by the San Francisco 49ers as the 131st pick of the 2013 cycle. Lattimore should have a good career in the NFL, barring further injury of course. That in itself is a testament to his grit and determination. The injury tried to end his career, but he simply refused to let it take more than college. Willis McGahee and Lattimore had eerily similar injuries. McGahee missed the remainder of one bowl game, and Lattimore missed four complete games. That is why Lattimore appears one spot higher than McGahee on this list.
Agreed. And you're risking injury in games that have absolutely no meaning. The bowl system is broken. Too many bad teams. Too many bad bowls with empty stands.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:21 am to Vacherie Saint
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A 10 win season is at stake. It would be nice to see these kids think about the program instead of themselves.
The "program"? Lmao
The program will recover from a loss (or bad game) in bowl, a lot easier than a NFL prospect from a bowl injury. LSU will be just fine in the follow up season.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:22 am to H-Town Tiger
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Pro scouts do not move guys up because they had a good bowl game
I support opt outs. But the above statement is not necessarily true.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:24 am to Tigerfan1274
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Exactly. There is nothing to fix. The playoffs have rendered most bowl games almost like a post season spring game. They really don’t mean much.
The playoffs didn't do this. The playoff at least gave some meaning to at least three bowl games. The rest of the bowls have always been post season spring games.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:26 am to CDawson
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This entire generation is me over team.
Lou Holtz said it best
Todays athletes talk about rights and privileges.
Yesterdays talked about obligations and responsibilities.
The previous generation in now hobbled and broke. Just because the old guys didn't know there value, let's not indict intelligence.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:39 am to prepsportsallday
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I support opt outs. But the above statement is not necessarily true.
Can you site some examples?
Do you honestly think professional scouts, whose job is dependent on evaluating talent is going to base that decision on performance in one isolated game? If a guy was hurt or had a disappointing season I guess a big bowl could help a little but workouts and the combine will have a much bigger effect.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:51 am to prepsportsallday
Yes, the program.
If it doesn’t mean anything, and players will come and go with the wind - leveraging the portal, draft, NIL, and opt outs, then call it what it is; semi professional football with no structure around free agency. Stop wasting anyone’s time with bowl games that mean nothing. The sophomore superstar has just as much to lose as a draft eligible junior. But let’s be real here. The risk of a career ending injury in a bowl game is negligible.
This quasi-amateur model that pretends to be legacy college football is a sham. If all college football is now is football’s version of the MLB farm system, let’s get rid of the pageantry, traditions, and expect zero loyalty, school pride, or opportunity for a degree.
You can’t have it both ways. A modern big time college football player makes almost zero commitment to a program that invests millions to get him on campus, develops him, houses him, feeds him, and educates him.
If it doesn’t mean anything, and players will come and go with the wind - leveraging the portal, draft, NIL, and opt outs, then call it what it is; semi professional football with no structure around free agency. Stop wasting anyone’s time with bowl games that mean nothing. The sophomore superstar has just as much to lose as a draft eligible junior. But let’s be real here. The risk of a career ending injury in a bowl game is negligible.
This quasi-amateur model that pretends to be legacy college football is a sham. If all college football is now is football’s version of the MLB farm system, let’s get rid of the pageantry, traditions, and expect zero loyalty, school pride, or opportunity for a degree.
You can’t have it both ways. A modern big time college football player makes almost zero commitment to a program that invests millions to get him on campus, develops him, houses him, feeds him, and educates him.
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:54 am to prepsportsallday
Bowl games probably mean a helluva lot to the 98% of players who never get to play pro ball.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 12:11 pm to H-Town Tiger
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evaluating talent is going to base that decision on performance in one isolated game?
It depends. Trevor Penning rocketed up draft boards last year after a senior bowl practice where he manhandled some kid from Ohio State. Sometimes scouts want to see a kid face elite competition to be sold on a player.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 2:15 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Can you site some examples?
Do you honestly think professional scouts, whose job is dependent on evaluating talent is going to base that decision on performance in one isolated game? If a guy was hurt or had a disappointing season I guess a big bowl could help a little but workouts and the combine will have a much bigger effect.
There are fewer guys to watch during this time of the year. Some guys that were not on draft boards, or not as high, create and/or expand opportunities for themselves during this time. The same holds true for the Sr. Bowls. Don't assume that scouts know everything about every prospect.
ANY ONE GAME, can (an often times) cause scouts to go back and take a look at an entire season. Evaluations are always fluid, alllll the way through pro days. I still believe that most bowl games are unnecessary (from a player perspective).
Posted on 12/26/22 at 2:32 pm to Vacherie Saint
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If it doesn’t mean anything, and players will come and go with the wind - leveraging the portal, draft, NIL, and opt outs,
Whereas NIL and portal are new, Opt-outs are not. The program and the system are now challenged to come up with ideas that are mutually beneficial. The "education" that athletes get is not the carrot. Pro Football opportunity is. Deion Sanders (NFL HOFer) obtained a bachelor's degree from Talladega College in Alabama in 2020. College, for him, was about getting to the NFL (healthy).
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Stop wasting anyone’s time with bowl games that mean nothing
I totally Agree. Many bowl games are played outdoors, in the cold, in empty stadiums. 6-6 team vs 7-5. Are you telling me, that a legit pro prospect should be playing in these games?
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The sophomore superstar has just as much to lose as a draft-eligible junior. But let’s be real here. The risk of a career-ending injury in a bowl game is negligible.
Negligible compared to the last regular season game? Maybe. In LSU's case, the last regular season game was for the SEC Title. Thats a calculated risk. This bowl game, and many others, is for ______?
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If all college football is now is football’s version of the MLB farm system, let’s get rid of the pageantry, traditions, and expect zero loyalty, school pride, or opportunity for a degree.
I agree you. If loyalty was so important, there would be no need to pay head coaches 5-10 mil a year. So I agree, lets stop asking athletes to be motivated by factors that boosters, coaches, and administrators are not held to. From the TOP to the BOTTOM, it's been about money. Long before NIL and the portal.
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invests millions to get him
Let me fix that for you. You meant invests thousands (per athlete), while the program makes millions.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 2:35 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Bowl games probably mean a helluva lot to the 98% of players who never get to play pro ball.
That may be true. And noone is stopping them from playing. But fan, who is sitting home, flipping through games being played to empty stadiums, has strong opinions about the guy who decides he's ready to move on.
I disagree with rewarding a 6-6 team, with post-season play. It makes no sense.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 4:58 pm to prepsportsallday
Your arguments aren’t wrong, they are just based on the upper 5% of mega programs. The vast, and I mean vast, majority of college football suffers from this stuff. For 98% of all college football players, the education, traditions, finishing what you started, school pride, bowl games, and memories therein mean everything.
So essentially, 95% of college football turns to shite because the 5% want to bleed every dollar out of the institution.
So essentially, 95% of college football turns to shite because the 5% want to bleed every dollar out of the institution.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:14 pm to Vacherie Saint
Why is Bryce Young playing in a meaningless bowl game for BAMA?.....HIS NIL deal with Dr. Pepper requires him to play...his NIL deal was North of 3 million for 3yrs....he must play bowl game to collect his last installment...he'll play the 1st quarter from what his agent tells me.
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