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re: The coming Railroad strike is about to be a huge new topic
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:08 am to Chromdome35
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:08 am to Chromdome35
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I know coal for power generation is delivered by rail, Does anyone know how many days of supply those plants typically keep on hand? Can they run a week or a month without the trains delivering more coal?
They normally keep a a month or two worth at the plant I used to take trains into which is pretty standard.
The other day someone claimed their local plant said they would shut down within days without deliveries and I kind of chuckled as that is not the norm by any means.
eta-I mean look at it this way. If the rotary dumper breaks down it's not like you go to Autozone for parts. It may be down for some time so you need to keep a stockpile on hand.
Same as if the mines or railroads go on strike.
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 10:17 am
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:12 am to Figgy
Normally not sympathetic to the unions but the railway shite is insane on several levels.
One such issue brought up is that being at a certain grade may mean that the only available position for you may be 3+ hrs away and you have to basically live there while your family stays put.
OTOH, you have low level people with jobs working 5 minutes from home.
The railroads have also been fricking with everyone since Covid, in part because the railway laws heavily restrict the ability to strike.
One such issue brought up is that being at a certain grade may mean that the only available position for you may be 3+ hrs away and you have to basically live there while your family stays put.
OTOH, you have low level people with jobs working 5 minutes from home.
The railroads have also been fricking with everyone since Covid, in part because the railway laws heavily restrict the ability to strike.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:23 am to BuckyCheese
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They normally keep a a month or two worth at the plant I used to take trains into which is pretty standard.
The other day someone claimed their local plant said they would shut down within days without deliveries and I kind of chuckled as that is not the norm by any means.
eta-I mean look at it this way. If the rotary dumper breaks down it's not like you go to Autozone for parts. It may be down for some time so you need to keep a stockpile on hand.
Same as if the mines or railroads go on strike.
Thank you for answering my question.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:29 am to Chromdome35
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know coal for power generation is delivered by rail, Does anyone know how many days of supply those plants typically keep on hand? Can they run a week or a month without the trains delivering more coal?
Lol I’ll just say coal stockpiles are at critical levels and there are coal units on curtailment due to lack of coal supply deliveries
When the pandemic hit, the railroads furloughed and laid off way too many workers - some decided to retired some found other employment
Let’s just say their recruiting and retaining of new employees is subpar-if they hire 100 - when all the training is complete, they may have kept 20-30 new hires
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:31 am to sandjunky
Sand, are you aware of anywhere one can find information on the size of coal stockpiles at plants?
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:31 am to sandjunky
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Let’s just say their recruiting and retaining of new employees is subpar-if they hire 100 - when all the training is complete, they may have kept 20-30 new hires
Been that way for decades.
eta-After 4 years I was the only one left from my class that started out with 20 guys.
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 10:42 am
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:39 am to nes2010
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Aren't they not allowed to strike? There was a thread about this and people were saying the federal government would order them back to work immediately.
You mean the illegitimate Biden administration? They will force someone to do something?
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:41 am to Chromdome35
Not typically public information because it depends on each utilities risk tolerance and/or any PSC reliability requirements
30-60 days is a good rule of thumb
It really depends on how how far the coal is from the generation plant, rail line performance and type of coal you burn - is it sub-bituminous (PRB), which is 8400-8800 btu/lb or bituminous (IB) 11500-12000 btu/lb
If sub bituminous and I’m in the southeast, I may want a larger inventory because 1. Distance (PRB - coming from Wyoming) 2. Heat content lower than bituminous, so I have to burn more to get the equivalent MWh 3. If it is delivered by multiple railroads, that could push me there as well
30-60 days is a good rule of thumb
It really depends on how how far the coal is from the generation plant, rail line performance and type of coal you burn - is it sub-bituminous (PRB), which is 8400-8800 btu/lb or bituminous (IB) 11500-12000 btu/lb
If sub bituminous and I’m in the southeast, I may want a larger inventory because 1. Distance (PRB - coming from Wyoming) 2. Heat content lower than bituminous, so I have to burn more to get the equivalent MWh 3. If it is delivered by multiple railroads, that could push me there as well
Posted on 9/13/22 at 10:58 am to mmcgrath
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Labor can't be a huge cost for the railroads.
LOL, wha? In what unionized organization (or any organization really) is labor not a huge cost?
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:40 am to CastleBravo
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:44 am to roadkill
i dont understand how congress can do anything to end it...if people dont get their raise and dont show up to work what will they do?
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:49 am to The Maj
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our transportation secretary
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:50 am to Pezzo
Theoretically the railroads can be put under military control because it is considered essential infrastructure.
In practice, I don’t see it happening.
In practice, I don’t see it happening.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:50 am to saints5021
Mayor Pete's got this....
He's not gonna get his shite pushed in.
He's not gonna get his shite pushed in.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 11:51 am to sandjunky
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quote:
know coal for power generation is delivered by rail, Does anyone know how many days of supply those plants typically keep on hand? Can they run a week or a month without the trains delivering more coal?
quote:
Lol I’ll just say coal stockpiles are at critical levels and there are coal units on curtailment due to lack of coal supply deliveries
When the pandemic hit, the railroads furloughed and laid off way too many workers - some decided to retired some found other employment
Let’s just say their recruiting and retaining of new employees is subpar-if they hire 100 - when all the training is complete, they may have kept 20-30 new hires
wow
anyway, I'm sure they'll blame Putin for this...
Posted on 9/13/22 at 12:16 pm to teke184
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Theoretically the railroads can be put under military control because it is considered essential infrastructure.
In practice, I don’t see it happening.
Wilson nationalized the railroads under the United States Railroad Administration during WW1 and they were not returned to private operation until March 1920.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 12:17 pm to BuckyCheese
Wilson, while a fascist New World Order a-hole, was more on the ball than these idiots.
The tech has advanced while the quality of government has dropped precipitously.
The tech has advanced while the quality of government has dropped precipitously.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 1:18 pm to saints5021
It gives Biden and the Dums the real reason to blame for why it happened. Buffet is all about protecting the Dums.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 1:19 pm to sandjunky
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Not typically public information because it depends on each utilities risk tolerance and/or any PSC reliability requirements
30-60 days is a good rule of thumb
It really depends on how how far the coal is from the generation plant, rail line performance and type of coal you burn - is it sub-bituminous (PRB), which is 8400-8800 btu/lb or bituminous (IB) 11500-12000 btu/lb
If sub bituminous and I’m in the southeast, I may want a larger inventory because 1. Distance (PRB - coming from Wyoming) 2. Heat content lower than bituminous, so I have to burn more to get the equivalent MWh 3. If it is delivered by multiple railroads, that could push me there as well
Thank you, great info.
I'm constantly impressed by the information one can get from this board.
Posted on 9/13/22 at 1:26 pm to saints5021
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pretty sure a 30% increase in labor across the board is going to be rough for them to eat.
The RR’s will eat nothing. All of this will be rolled to the end consumer.
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