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re: Mizzou Recruiting: Decommits
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:22 pm to SunHog
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:22 pm to SunHog
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I'm just wanting to make sure I understand this..
You expect Missouri to get kids from Georgia and Florida yet Kentucky can not do that and they are MUCH closer..
How does that work?
You also expect Missouri to beat out Arkansas, OSU, OU, Texas, LSU and TAMU all much closer to the talent pool?
Serious question.
Where did I say anything about the caliber of player they would get? They are going to have to change their recruiting strategy when they come in to the SEC and there is enough players to go around in Georgia and Florida to make it necessary that they start hitting those states up because they will be playing there yearly.
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:23 pm to SunHog
Nail meet coffin.
Four-star RB decommits from Mizzou
November, 9, 2011
NOV 9
2:15
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By Damon Sayles
Four-star running back Jonathan Williams of Allen, Texas, confirmed Wednesday has decomitted from Missouri to explore other options.
Williams, ranked No. 16 among running backs nationally, said Missouri’s recent move from the Big 12 to the SEC did not play a major role in his decision to decommit. He said he is looking to play at a school a little closer to home. Because of that reason, Arkansas is now tops on his list of schools.
“Arkansas is closer,” Williams said via text message. “I haven’t committed, but they’re my leader.” - ESPN
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Four-star RB decommits from Mizzou
November, 9, 2011
NOV 9
2:15
PM ET
EmailPrintComments
By Damon Sayles
Four-star running back Jonathan Williams of Allen, Texas, confirmed Wednesday has decomitted from Missouri to explore other options.
Williams, ranked No. 16 among running backs nationally, said Missouri’s recent move from the Big 12 to the SEC did not play a major role in his decision to decommit. He said he is looking to play at a school a little closer to home. Because of that reason, Arkansas is now tops on his list of schools.
“Arkansas is closer,” Williams said via text message. “I haven’t committed, but they’re my leader.” - ESPN
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:25 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Where did I say anything about the caliber of player they would get? They are going to have to change their recruiting strategy when they come in to the SEC and there is enough players to go around in Georgia and Florida to make it necessary that they start hitting those states up because they will be playing there yearly.
Under that theory why isn't Kentucky better?
They play in the same division as Missouri, closer to UGA and FU, with a bigger stadium and larger Athletic budget.
The vast Majority of D-1 kids play within a 350 mile radius of home. ESPN and CBS did a study and it holds true.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:29 pm to SunHog
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Under that theory why isn't Kentucky better?
They play in the same division as Missouri, closer to UGA and FU, with a bigger stadium and larger Athletic budget.
The vast Majority of D-1 kids play within a 350 mile radius of home. ESPN and CBS did a study and it holds true.
Because Kentucky sucks.
Louisville has made a killing off of recruiting Florida as has Wisconsin recently. Missouri doesn't need to take 15 kids from Florida a year but if they can get 3-4 from Florida, 1-2 from Georgia and maybe a couple from Tennesse and the Carolina's then you start to be able to supplement what they got from Texas while in the Big 12.
It's no different than what we had to do when we joined the SEC. We no longer were able to get 15-20 guys a year from Texas. We started having to dip into Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia and Florida.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:39 pm to SunHog
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w Missouri will be in the top half of the SEC?
I never said they would.
However, their football program is not going to just vanquish into thin air over this transition.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:48 pm to hoginthesw
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However, their football program is not going to just vanquish into thin air over this transition.
Nor did I say that. The goal is to be in the top half of the SEC how do they accomplish that with all these handicaps?
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:49 pm to SunHog
maybe they become Arkansas North? 5.7's out the arse.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:50 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Louisville has made a killing off of recruiting Florida as has Wisconsin recently. Missouri doesn't need to take 15 kids from Florida a year but if they can get 3-4 from Florida, 1-2 from Georgia and maybe a couple from Tennesse and the Carolina's then you start to be able to supplement what they got from Texas while in the Big 12.
It's no different than what we had to do when we joined the SEC. We no longer were able to get 15-20 guys a year from Texas. We started having to dip into Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia and Florida.
I agree. We have to develop inroads into other territories in SEC. I appreciate the more logical and balanced view you have provided.
There is little point debating with Sunhog. He has pronounced our program dead. So whats the point.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:51 pm to kilo
I believe that over the years, Mizzou will recruit much like Arkansas. Neither of us will be the cream of the crop like the other SEC schools and Texas, but do well enough to fit our systems.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:59 pm to TheCheshireHog
quote:He's from the Lee's Summit area which is just east of Kansas City, Missouri. In the local press Missouri has been demonized as traitors to Kansas City for leaving the Big 12. Since Kansas City. Missouri is the major city in the area and Sprint Center is located there they claim KC will lose the Big 12 tourney because of us. They have claimed it will cost the city over $15 million a year because why why would the Big 12 play the tourney in a state which has no member in the Big 12?
Why would a Missouri kid waiver because of a conference change?
The rhetoric about KU not playing MU if they left and about the Big 12 tourney being lost was started weeks ago as a power play to try and Get Missouri to not leave the Big 12. The Kansas City Mayor and every major business heads in the area pleaded with them not to leave the Big 12.
KC sports writers have written stories saying how Missouri will become irrelevant in KC because they wont get the attention on the news they have up until now. So the KC kids have had their heads filled with everything from MU is a traitor to KC to MU will lose the attention it normally gets in the area due to leaving the Big 12. So if the kids buy into that rhetoric than MU could lose recruits from KC.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 6:11 pm to TheCheshireHog
Mizzou Texas pipeline is going to dry up quick. Book it. This is the only reason they were somewhat competitive the last few years. They are going to be a bottom feeder in the SEC in football forever. A&M is in a much better situation besides having to play in the West, but the East will be back soon.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 9:15 pm to sfury
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He's from the Lee's Summit area which is just east of Kansas City, Missouri. In the local press Missouri has been demonized as traitors to Kansas City for leaving the Big 12. Since Kansas City. Missouri is the major city in the area and Sprint Center is located there they claim KC will lose the Big 12 tourney because of us. They have claimed it will cost the city over $15 million a year because why why would the Big 12 play the tourney in a state which has no member in the Big 12?
The rhetoric about KU not playing MU if they left and about the Big 12 tourney being lost was started weeks ago as a power play to try and Get Missouri to not leave the Big 12. The Kansas City Mayor and every major business heads in the area pleaded with them not to leave the Big 12.
KC sports writers have written stories saying how Missouri will become irrelevant in KC because they wont get the attention on the news they have up until now. So the KC kids have had their heads filled with everything from MU is a traitor to KC to MU will lose the attention it normally gets in the area due to leaving the Big 12. So if the kids buy into that rhetoric than MU could lose recruits from KC.
Good points. I'm on the West side of Missouri, not a Mizzou fan but I think a lot of people on this side of the state wanted Mizzou to stay in the Big 12 for the games vs Kansas and Oklahoma schools.
Some people are pissed because they feel the Mizzou folks on the East side of Missouri(STL area) having too much influence on Mizzou leaving the Big 12 since they have a larger portion of Alum in that area, doubt they care about playing KU, K-State, OU, etc.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 9:25 pm to bayou2003
Going to the SEC East will be a huge blow to recruiting that was already going to take an initial hit with the move
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:04 pm to Rickie
quote:I would agree with you that the recruits from Texas will probably dry up some. But if Texas A&M is our cross division rival and Pinkel adds an SMU or Houston to the OOC schedule that can help lessen the blow.
Going to the SEC East will be a huge blow to recruiting that was already going to take an initial hit with the move
People keep acting like the Texas pipeline slowing down is a terminal thing for Mizzou, but they weren't really pulling much out of Texas before Gary Pinkel got there. He came from Toledo and recruited the Midwest so I doubt he was getting much talent out of Texas for them. He came to Missouri in 2001 and set up a pretty good recruiting base in Texas so if he can't rearrange his recruiting to pull a few out of Florida or Georgia and other SEC areas he doesn't belong as a head coach.
I'm sure for a few years it will take him time to build new recruiting bases but he isn't inept so I don't think it's going to be as bad as some seem to believe. We shall see in the end but I believe they will be OK.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:18 pm to bayou2003
quote:I don't know if it's so much Missouri fans upset as it is media and KC officials that are making the noise. I'm from the KC area and most of the MU fans I know and also the ones I see posting are all for the move. The KC star has mostly Kansas or K-state people writing on their site. Blair Kerkoff is usually pretty fair and Mike DeArmond also but he is a Missouri Alum and is the Missouri beat writer.
Good points. I'm on the West side of Missouri, not a Mizzou fan but I think a lot of people on this side of the state wanted Mizzou to stay in the Big 12 for the games vs Kansas and Oklahoma schools.
Some people are pissed because they feel the Mizzou folks on the East side of Missouri(STL area) having too much influence on Mizzou leaving the Big 12 since they have a larger portion of Alum in that area, doubt they care about playing KU, K-State, OU, etc.
Martin Manley claims to be a Missouri fan but has been doing his best to run down everything Mizzou lately. When you call him on it he says I'm a Missouri fan but I'm a Big 12 fan 1st. To me that isn't being a Missouri fan and he's already told us he wont find as much to write about Missouri now that they are in the SEC. Oh well we can get our info anywhere.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 7:56 am to sfury
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I don't know if it's so much Missouri fans upset as it is media and KC officials that are making the noise.
I wonder if the Arrowhead will remove all those Big 12 logos painted on the wall. I know they removed the Colorado and Nebraska logos. It'd be neat if they put all the SEC team logos up. Guess I'll find out next fall.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:10 am to bayou2003
quote:I don't know.. I suppose if MU played some games there against SEC teams they might put the SEC logos up and considering all the SEC players they draft they should.
I wonder if the Arrowhead will remove all those Big 12 logos painted on the wall. I know they removed the Colorado and Nebraska logos. It'd be neat if they put all the SEC team logos up. Guess I'll find out next fall.
I was watching the Price Chopper commercial the other day and wondering what they will do next year. For those who don't know Price Chopper is a huge Grocery Store chain in the KC area that always uses the local teams mascots in their commercials. They always have them interacting with each other one way or another and they are really cheesy but I was just wondering because I doubt they will be able to have them all together anymore.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 11:50 am to Smoke Ring
I think it was a long term error to put Mizzou in the SEC east.
Bama and Aubie should have been move to the east, and Vandy and Missouri to the west.
then all schools in east would be east of all schools in the west.
Bama and Aubie should have been move to the east, and Vandy and Missouri to the west.
then all schools in east would be east of all schools in the west.
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