re: I believe West Virginia should be Team No. 14

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TV market is tiny and that's confirmed.

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The LSU WVU game got a 4.0 rating.

What it tells the SEC is that there can be interest when WVU is in a game. The SEC office can spin this as WVU has interest and can sell this to both CBS and ESPN. That's all that matters.

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The LSU WVU game got a 4.0 rating.

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Perhaps because it was LSU, the #2 ranked team playing that garner the viewership?

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Is it NYC? No. Is it Atlanta? No. Is it Chicago? No. Is it Houston? No. Is it Casper, Wyoming? No. Is it an increase in the TV market? Yes. Maybe not as big as you'd like, but it comes without a $20 million price tag and will increase the SEC's footprint.

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you're looking at it wrong

they are 37th in state population with 1.8 million people that shares fans with Marshall. very little out of state following as well. they bring virtually nothing to the appeal of the SEC for television reasons

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Academic achievement? As compared to Harvard or MIT? Not much. As compared with whatever value the USNews says about elite and state colleges and universities - probably not much. As compared with the SEC top to bottom, it will probably start at the starting point. But that's still higher than a lot of other schools. I'd rather have that than a Mizzou looking down their B1G Wannabe noses at most of its "fellow" SEC schools, and panting for that B1G invite.

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nice filibuster

WVU has a solid football program that too few people watch, a solid men's basketball program, NOTHING ELSE OF VALUE IN ATHLETICS, and no value-added on the academic or endowment or alumni side

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displaced wv natives

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huh?

i know it sounds shitty, but i dont think that the SEC should settle for WVU. you just dont bring enough to the table

People who leave the state after college or leave in general for better work opportunities that's why the state population is so low but they still bring their loyalties to wvu with them

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you're looking at it wrong

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No, I am looking at it differently than you are. I am not looking at it wrong. You don't get to decide that.

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nice filibuster

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Not a filibuster, an expression of why I am am in favor of the idea of WVU becoming the 14th SEC team. And given in response to your direct questions.

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WVU has a solid football program that too few people watch, a solid men's basketball program, NOTHING ELSE OF VALUE IN ATHLETICS, and no value-added on the academic or endowment or alumni side

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So say you. So say I - Your looking at this differently than I am, but your opinion is the only real thing you're offering here. A lot of the rest is just your speculative filibustering for the other point of view.

they don't offer shite towards the future of the conference. To make it worth it they would need to be able to make each existing school atleast 1 million( which isn't shite when you factor travel etc). That is a total of 31 million to support themselves plus 1 million to each current school.


they can't do that, dint have the population nor the viewers. This is assuming that slive would accept a bump of only 1 million. That's a shitty bump and not worth it. Also the big $$$ is in full fledged sec network and the money in that comes in the form of subscribers in an sec market. For example big 10 network gets $.85 for subscribers in market, only $.15 for those out of market. WVU can't help diddly squat when it comes to this.

plus they have a history of really shitty fan behavior as evidenced by this past Saturday. They also would be far and away the worst academic school in the sec.not even close really and they can shove that Rhode scholar bullshite they keep posting up their arse.

and 20 million isn't shite to pay. That's renegotiating the tv deal and every current members staying the same one year and using the left over to pay the buy out.

if you were president of LSU and told you can make 1 million, minus expenses, more for the next 15 years or you can stay the same for next year and make 2-4 million, same expenses as other choice, for the next 15 years...........which would you choice?

people need to shutup about the 20 million buyout. Multiple media members including tony Barnhart have quoted sources inside the sec offices of saying that the buy out is no obstacle. Just a minor speed bump.


if the goal is for the sec to be the highest grossing conference, WVU does very little if anything to help us get there. This isn't 1992 anymore, we need media markets to compete in the future.

slive has a year to work on VT and UNC. gotta believe those skills are much higher on his list than wvu and he will only go to the mountaineers if everyone else says no.

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so what does WVU bring to the table?

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A a pretty decent football program that is here to stay.
A rabid fanbase, much akin to the SEC in that respect.
A small but not totally insignificant increase in the SEC footprint, with a reach into western PA.
A marketable image/brand nationwide.
A reasonable national following.
A flagship state university.
Regional cultural similarities to Kentucky, Tennessee, maybe Arkansas Ozarks, northern Alabama and north GA.
The ability to compete in SEC football.
A decent basketball program that could compete on the non-UK (at its best) level.
No $20 million price tag.

Is this enough, Rouge?

To 777, who said:

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if the goal is for the sec to be the highest grossing conference, WVU does very little if anything to help us get there. This isn't 1992 anymore, we need media markets to compete in the future.

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That's a big "if" because I still maintain the SEC's primary reason for being and remaining the premier football conference in the USA is because we provide football excellence and win bowls and MNCs, not because we have the highest grossing conference, although we do alright in the TV revenue dept. and will continue - AS LONG AS WE PROVIDE THE EXCELLENT, WINNING FOOTBALL PRODUCT THAT PEOPLE WANT TO WATCH. Sell out for dollars first, forget the reason we got to the top in the first place, and suddenly... not Numero Uno anymore. We gotta provide great football games, great teams, and great, exciting rivalries - not market share. If we do the former, the dollars will come. I promise.

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A a pretty decent football program that is here to stay.
A rabid fanbase, much akin to the SEC in that respect.
A small but not totally insignificant increase in the SEC footprint, with a reach into western PA.
A marketable image/brand nationwide.
A reasonable national following.
A flagship state university.
Regional cultural similarities to Kentucky, Tennessee, maybe Arkansas Ozarks, northern Alabama and north GA.
The ability to compete in SEC football.
A decent basketball program that could compete on the non-UK (at its best) level.
No $20 million price tag.

Is this enough?

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Nope, you're going to get hit back with Markets and Academics 5,4,3,2,1......

ETA: WVU will eventually be in the SEC, people might as well get over it. Mizzou wants to remain in the Big 12. If Mizzou wanted to leave they would have made it public last Thurs.