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re: What do you see happening at Michigan?
Posted on 12/30/10 at 6:55 pm to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 12/30/10 at 6:55 pm to Bunk Moreland
Les won't lead LSU to another championship, so I don't see what people are bitching about if we have a down year to end up with a better long term coach.
Les has proven time and time again that he can coach no better than a 2-loss season and with the way the landscape of college football is now, we aren't going to have another year like 2007 where his screw-ups will be bailed out by like 10 teams choking.
Les' only saving grace is his ability to recruit. He managed to get LSU on scholarship reductions even if he wasn't the one doing it. LSU is thus not a clean program under him like many choose to claim.
He's a great recruiter but a mediocre coach that has to be bailed out by his coordinators and players' talent.
In the end, I'd take a down year or two (8 wins or so) to have a coach that most fans actually have confidence in to bring LSU a championship, because Les definitely isn't that coach.
Next year's schedule will be even tougher than this years, and we are losing tons of key players, yet people actually think we have a legit NC shot. Why they think Les with entirely his recruits only is ever going to actually win a championship is beyond me.
Les has proven time and time again that he can coach no better than a 2-loss season and with the way the landscape of college football is now, we aren't going to have another year like 2007 where his screw-ups will be bailed out by like 10 teams choking.
Les' only saving grace is his ability to recruit. He managed to get LSU on scholarship reductions even if he wasn't the one doing it. LSU is thus not a clean program under him like many choose to claim.
He's a great recruiter but a mediocre coach that has to be bailed out by his coordinators and players' talent.
In the end, I'd take a down year or two (8 wins or so) to have a coach that most fans actually have confidence in to bring LSU a championship, because Les definitely isn't that coach.
Next year's schedule will be even tougher than this years, and we are losing tons of key players, yet people actually think we have a legit NC shot. Why they think Les with entirely his recruits only is ever going to actually win a championship is beyond me.
This post was edited on 12/30/10 at 8:28 pm
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Posted on 12/30/10 at 8:03 pm to LSUMafia
Thanks Mafia. That is so refreshing to come on here and read a down to earth post instead of Miles loving crap like you pointed out about others saying they will be playing for the bcs championship. Eventually others will finally see the light.
Posted on 12/30/10 at 8:23 pm to lsu mike
What (TONS) of players are you talking about?
Posted on 12/30/10 at 8:32 pm to kjanchild
Hmmm... Let's see:
3 key defensive players in Peterson, Sheppard, and Nevis.
Our starting Left tackle, likely our top performing RB, Toliver.
That's a significant hit whether you want to believe it or not. We have some talented players in the wings that are mostly unproven, but I don't really have belief that our defense will be better next year losing three top players like we will after this season.
Mathieu is a great Nickel back, but we have no idea how he'll do as a primary CB. We lose a ton of leadership and our QB situation is based on Mettenberger being able to somehow be beyond the reach of Crowton's ability to negatively coach a QB.
I think LSU will win 9 games in the regular season next year largely because I don't see our offense greatly improving, our defense taking a step back and our schedule being a bit harder since we'll be playing the #1 or #2 from this season a the start on the road and be AT WVU.
3 key defensive players in Peterson, Sheppard, and Nevis.
Our starting Left tackle, likely our top performing RB, Toliver.
That's a significant hit whether you want to believe it or not. We have some talented players in the wings that are mostly unproven, but I don't really have belief that our defense will be better next year losing three top players like we will after this season.
Mathieu is a great Nickel back, but we have no idea how he'll do as a primary CB. We lose a ton of leadership and our QB situation is based on Mettenberger being able to somehow be beyond the reach of Crowton's ability to negatively coach a QB.
I think LSU will win 9 games in the regular season next year largely because I don't see our offense greatly improving, our defense taking a step back and our schedule being a bit harder since we'll be playing the #1 or #2 from this season a the start on the road and be AT WVU.
Posted on 12/30/10 at 9:51 pm to LSUMafia
by my count that is 5...maybe 6! So that means we have 17 starters out of 22 coming back! I like those odds!
This post was edited on 12/30/10 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 12/30/10 at 10:10 pm to kjanchild
Tons = impact of those players.
Those are all key players that will be tough to replace.
Once Hurst went out, you saw a significant dropoff in line play to end the season. While I think Hurst will be back and better next year, but losing Barksdale will be a huge loss.
Ridley would be an unexpected one and our defense will not be as good next season losing our 3 best defenders from this year.
We have a lot of talent, but much of it is young. LSU will be a good team next year again, but given our schedule it will be much tougher than this season.
Tennessee, Bama, WVU, Oregon, and MSU will all be road games. With WVU being better offensively next year, Tennessee being better overall, and Oregon being both better than UNC at full strength and likely not having 13 players suspended, it's going to be tough.
That's my point.
Those are all key players that will be tough to replace.
Once Hurst went out, you saw a significant dropoff in line play to end the season. While I think Hurst will be back and better next year, but losing Barksdale will be a huge loss.
Ridley would be an unexpected one and our defense will not be as good next season losing our 3 best defenders from this year.
We have a lot of talent, but much of it is young. LSU will be a good team next year again, but given our schedule it will be much tougher than this season.
Tennessee, Bama, WVU, Oregon, and MSU will all be road games. With WVU being better offensively next year, Tennessee being better overall, and Oregon being both better than UNC at full strength and likely not having 13 players suspended, it's going to be tough.
That's my point.
Posted on 12/30/10 at 11:55 pm to willeteal
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All Miami did is frickING UPGRADED their head coaching position. They hired Golden before Penn State. This guy will be a success.
And UF hired the next HC at Texas, a coach half this board wanted here a year ago
I liked the Miami hire, but the fact that UF, a job perceived to be one of the best in the country, couldn't hire someone with head coaching experience, should be a red flag for all LSU fans looking for a change this year. Get a new OC, recruit well, and gear up for a championship run next season.
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LSU is a bigger draw for recruits than Miles is.
If you don't understand that I can't help you
LSU no doubt attracts top recruits, but that doesn't mean a coach doesn't have to put forth the effort to get good players to LSU. You have to win, and hire assistants that can recruit well (See Frank Wilson). For that, the head coach is to be commended.
Posted on 12/31/10 at 12:14 am to south bama tiger
I think UF was looking for a young up and comer. It was their choice. They didn't really settle in their eyes, but to you maybe they did.
They went after Mullen but he was happy building his own legacy at MSU.
It's not like they got chopped liver. Their staff is likely going to be ridiculously good.
Why is it assumed they settled? Because they aren't the huge names that some assume are great candidates?
They went after Mullen but he was happy building his own legacy at MSU.
It's not like they got chopped liver. Their staff is likely going to be ridiculously good.
Why is it assumed they settled? Because they aren't the huge names that some assume are great candidates?
Posted on 12/31/10 at 12:42 am to LSUMafia
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Why is it assumed they settled? Because they aren't the huge names that some assume are great candidates?
Pretty much. Names like Petrino, Peterson and Harbaugh were being thrown out. It just seems to me that Muschamp is a downgrade from Meyer, while the others were a little bit closer to Meyer as far as being proven coachs. They obviously haven't won 2 titles like Meyer, but they are highly respected as head coachs. Muschamp is highly respected as a DC. Just IMO.
Posted on 12/31/10 at 12:51 am to south bama tiger
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They obviously haven't won 2 titles like Meyer, but they are highly respected as head coachs. Muschamp is highly respected as a DC. Just IMO.
I understand your point, as they've all had HC experience. I do mention this though, most of these guys started as coordinators and then made the jump.
Stoops made the jump to OU straight from a DC and was quite successful. Same goes for Petrino at UL, Pelini at Nebraska, etc.
I think they were looking more long term. Get a young, up and coming guy that will be there a while and Muschamp fit that to a tee and comes from a pedigree.
Posted on 12/31/10 at 12:51 am to south bama tiger
quote:
They obviously haven't won 2 titles like Meyer, but they are highly respected as head coachs. Muschamp is highly respected as a DC. Just IMO.
I understand your point, as they've all had HC experience. I do mention this though, most of these guys started as coordinators and then made the jump.
Stoops made the jump to OU straight from a DC and was quite successful. Same goes for Petrino at UL, Pelini at Nebraska, etc.
I think they were looking more long term. Get a young, up and coming guy that will be there a while and Muschamp fit that to a tee and comes from a pedigree.
Posted on 12/31/10 at 1:58 am to LSUMafia
Mafia- you are right. The players were are losing are key players, BUT we still have alot of talent on both sides of the ball that has yet to be seen. New starters on Defense next year, and Offensively talent that's on the field but doesn't have the opportunity to make plays because they have nobody to get them the ball. If the offense can be productive in getting the ball into our talented receivers and backs hands...... Then that's going to help out the younger defense a ton.
Look at Arkansas for example, I'm not saying next years offense will be as good as Arkansas', but the Arkansas defense(who isn't that great) can take chances and gamble with blitzes because their offense will pick them up. If our offense can be productive, I believe we will be able to do the same, setting up for a very successful year.
Look at Arkansas for example, I'm not saying next years offense will be as good as Arkansas', but the Arkansas defense(who isn't that great) can take chances and gamble with blitzes because their offense will pick them up. If our offense can be productive, I believe we will be able to do the same, setting up for a very successful year.
Posted on 12/31/10 at 5:07 am to adammwilson
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adammwilson
gtfo
Unless Michigan gets curb-stomped (by at least 3-4 touchdowns) in their bowl, I don't see Rich Rodriguez getting fired. If I were their AD I'd keep him under the condition that he fins an entirely new defensive staff and get rid of the 3-3-5 gheyness.
Posted on 12/31/10 at 6:38 am to LSUMafia
LSU Mafia hits it right on the dime. Les is a fine person but he is just an average coach who will not bring us another SEC or National Champ Title. If he moves to Michigan then my response will be good bye thanks and Next head coach please step up to the Mic . Many more out there that are better and will be knocking at our door.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 11:02 am to pabgolf
Remember this post from Dec 22
Posted on 1/9/11 at 11:03 am to kjanchild
Sorry, remember this post from Dec 22
He will be let go.....Harbaugh will take either the NFL job in San Fran or Carolina to be near his brother.....Les will take Meechigan job on Jan 11. Pelini named LSU head coach Jan 22. IMO...
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He will be let go.....Harbaugh will take either the NFL job in San Fran or Carolina to be near his brother.....Les will take Meechigan job on Jan 11. Pelini named LSU head coach Jan 22. IMO...
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Posted on 1/9/11 at 11:05 am to LSUMafia
quote:They'll hire Hoke.
What do you see happening at Michigan?
Miles won't go there. . .but will interview out of courtesy.
Posted on 1/9/11 at 11:07 am to LSUMafia
quote:
Les won't lead LSU to another championship, so I don't see what people are bitching about if we have a down year to end up with a better long term coach.
Les has proven time and time again that he can coach no better than a 2-loss season and with the way the landscape of college football is now, we aren't going to have another year like 2007 where his screw-ups will be bailed out by like 10 teams choking.
Les' only saving grace is his ability to recruit. He managed to get LSU on scholarship reductions even if he wasn't the one doing it. LSU is thus not a clean program under him like many choose to claim.
He's a great recruiter but a mediocre coach that has to be bailed out by his coordinators and players' talent.
In the end, I'd take a down year or two (8 wins or so) to have a coach that most fans actually have confidence in to bring LSU a championship, because Les definitely isn't that coach.
Next year's schedule will be even tougher than this years, and we are losing tons of key players, yet people actually think we have a legit NC shot. Why they think Les with entirely his recruits only is ever going to actually win a championship is beyond me.
Look, I like Les, but I won't be hurt if he leaves. And mostly I agree with your post, but man we have 17 returning starters? You need to to pay attention to the GIVE part of PUFF, PUFF, GIVE. We are fricking stacked for the foreseable future.
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