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Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:13 pm to Kirk Herbstreit
I don't see Orgeron as much of an upgrade from Miles. You're still hoping he keeps Aranda around and hires a solid OC. Why? Because you don't trust him to get the job done on his own.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:13 pm to Prominentwon
Do you still think miles was perfect or have you changed your stance to suit what happened to him?
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:13 pm to Prominentwon
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So you're telling me the coach didn't tell Guice the play?
Is that what you're telling me?
No, I'm talking about responsibility. Who does that responsibility ultimately fall to? I'd argue that the coaches are always responsible even if it wasn't their fault, directly.
So O gets credit for everything good that happens (which Engsminger has played a massive role in) and absolutely no blame? Is that what you are telling me? Did you go to these lengths to contextualize blame during the Miles era?
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they were a good bit better right before and right after him
I don't think O is quite the guy that you want to turn around OM after losing the best QB in their history. That same spot has sunk a lot of coaches, at much better programs.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:14 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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You do realize that teaching players the poise, discipline, and technique necessary to consistently perform under pressure is a major part of being a head coach, right? Jesus.
Sorry. I don't believe that coaches are responsible for absolutely everything on the field. At some point, responsibility moves to the players. Period. You'll never convince me otherwise. Sorry.
I can teach and raise my children to obey the law but at some point, it's their responsibility to live their life that way. I they make a decision and get arrested, it's not my fault. If they want to live in a box under a bridge, it's not my fault.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:15 pm to Lester Earl
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I don't think O is quite the guy that you want to turn around OM after losing the best QB in their history. That same spot has sunk a lot of coaches, at much better programs.
Then why was he hired?
The revisionism that is going on here is alarming.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:16 pm to crazy4lsu
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No, I'm talking about responsibility. Who does that responsibility ultimately fall to? I'd argue that the coaches are always responsible even if it wasn't their fault, directly.
Why? Why does a player's error fall on a coach?
If I train you to carry a dozen of eggs and not to drop them for weeks and you drop them as soon as you have them in your hands how is that not your fault?
At some point, responsibility isn't the coach anymore. It's not.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:16 pm to Lester Earl
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I don't think O is quite the guy that you want to turn around OM after losing the best QB in their history. That same spot has sunk a lot of coaches, at much better programs.
O finna lose a ton of guys to the draft along with LF.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:16 pm to crazy4lsu
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Of course it doesn't, but it's a reason for major concern, no?
It doesn't concern me. It was 10 years ago. Imagine you in your job 10 years ago compared to now. He's in a much better position, which is the biggest thing. He's held together a top 5 recruiting class after Miles was fired. I can't express how impressive that is.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:17 pm to Lester Earl
A decade
If anyone is the same person after 10 years, they need to look at themselves in the mirror and figure out their life plan.
If anyone is the same person after 10 years, they need to look at themselves in the mirror and figure out their life plan.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:17 pm to crazy4lsu
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Who does that responsibility ultimately fall to? I'd argue that the coaches are always responsible even if it wasn't their fault, directly
And you would have a stupid argument.
At what point would you stop blaming parents for their child's behavior?
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:18 pm to Prominentwon
[quote]Sorry. I don't believe that coaches are responsible for absolutely everything on the field. At some point, responsibility moves to the players. Period. You'll never convince me otherwise. Sorry.[quote]
Then you must believe that Saban somehow recruits players who are intrinsically superior in mental/emotional composition and inherent less prone to errors, and that Bama's consistent execution under pressure has nothing to do with coaching and instructional techniques. IT'S an incredibly untenable view, but you're welcome to it.
Then you must believe that Saban somehow recruits players who are intrinsically superior in mental/emotional composition and inherent less prone to errors, and that Bama's consistent execution under pressure has nothing to do with coaching and instructional techniques. IT'S an incredibly untenable view, but you're welcome to it.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:18 pm to Prominentwon
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Why does a player's error fall on a coach?
Whether it should or should not is a different question. Player error usually is the coach's responsibility. Or at least, good coaches take responsibility for player error. Just because it isn't your fault doesn't mean it isn't your responsibility.
I mean, the playcalling on third down wasn't alarming to you? A dive to the fullback? It had shades of Miles in Kentucky 2007.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:20 pm to Lester Earl
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Imagine you in your job 10 years ago compared to now
Irrelevant
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He's in a much better position, which is the biggest thing.
What do you mean position? As in he got a better job?
I straight up question his organizational and leadership abilities based on his time at Ole Miss. I've read Meat Market, I've tried to form a well-rounded opinion of him, and I can't help but think he's a man who is out of his element when given more responsibility.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i wouldn't go and frick AIMS in response
"Don't hate the player, hate the game"
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:21 pm to The Dudes Rug
quote:record setting OC at every stop, 22-4 as a head coach, & you think that sucks, i will tell what sucks is our AD just hired a coach who has a 10-25, 3-21 in sec play as head coach of lsu, that is what sucks
Tom Herman fricking sucks
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:21 pm to OceanMan
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At what point would you stop blaming parents for their child's behavior?
Some people never do.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:22 pm to Prominentwon
Even if a player fricks up like Guice, in THAT situation with the ball on the one yard line on 4th down with 3 seconds left, in one of those backyard childhood dream scenarios, to not have everyone on the same page out of a TO, even if it's Guice's error, it certainly reflects back on the HC right or wrong.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 5:28 pm to Lester Earl
You are ok with this hire?
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