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re: PJ Fleck has a better resume than Herman
Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:09 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:09 pm to Lester Earl
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I'm saying the flashy loud mouth young coach rarely works.
I just don't think he's a "flashy loudmouth". He's energetic, yes. But I don't understand why that's automatically a bad thing. He communicates extremely well with his players which is what matters to me.
This is what I mean by you lack vision. You probably saw 1 or 2 clips of him and immediately thought "flashy loudmouth" à la Kiffin. The 2 couldn't be more different.
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Lombardi had coached for 2 decades in some capacity before he even became the coach of the packers 
Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I've done a good bit of looking around on Fleck. There aren't many great coaches that fit his personality profile. Energy is one this but when it leaks over into arrogance & cockiness that isn't a good thing. He's young & he has ascended fast. So I'm not gonna totally blame him.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:14 pm to Lester Earl
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but when it leaks over into arrogance & cockiness
I don't get that vibe from him at all.
As a Niner fan though we've had 2 coaches, Walsh and Harbaugh, who were pretty high on the arrogant & cocky scale. Both of those guys did okay.
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
And i want to say something else here because I'm not sure some people fully understand:
Myself and i think most other big PJ Fleck people would be totally fine with Tom Herman. or even Jimbo. Hell I would be happy with Petrino. We're not necessarily advocating hiring Fleck over any of those guys. I might if I were the AD but I can understand and be okay with the argument as to why you hire any of those coaches over Fleck.
BUT, if you get to the Larry Fedora portion of your list and hire him or someone like him rather than giving Fleck a shot, that's a massive blunder. This guy is the real deal.
Myself and i think most other big PJ Fleck people would be totally fine with Tom Herman. or even Jimbo. Hell I would be happy with Petrino. We're not necessarily advocating hiring Fleck over any of those guys. I might if I were the AD but I can understand and be okay with the argument as to why you hire any of those coaches over Fleck.
BUT, if you get to the Larry Fedora portion of your list and hire him or someone like him rather than giving Fleck a shot, that's a massive blunder. This guy is the real deal.
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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As a Niner fan though we've had 2 coaches, Walsh and Harbaugh, who were pretty high on the arrogant & cocky scale. Both of those guys did okay.
Uhg, AGAIN, there is no pattern, we could sit here all day and list coaches with 1 trait or another that failed and another that was successful.
However, i disagree about Walsh being "arrogant and cocky" there's a difference between cocky and confident. he's certainly not at all like a Kiffin/McDaniels. He also had a long caereer and was 47-48 when he got the 49ers job. Harbaugh had success at a P5 program before going to SF.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:27 pm to H-Town Tiger
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i disagree about Walsh being "arrogant and cocky"
that may not have been his image but he absolutely was.
Also, go back and read my most recent post right after the one you were responding to (if you haven't already).
Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Harbaugh was more quietly confident and arrogant. Let's face it, most great coaches are arrogant. But they know they are the best, and they dont have to tell everyone.
i will give it to you guys, many on this board can't understand that some good coaches do in fact lose games at times. With that said, why not a guy like Dan Mullen. If you can appreciate what Fleck has done at WMU, how can you not appreciate what Mullen has done with less at MSU? He has recruited in the SEC, he is still rather young, and has had success at a place that hasnt had any before him.
i will give it to you guys, many on this board can't understand that some good coaches do in fact lose games at times. With that said, why not a guy like Dan Mullen. If you can appreciate what Fleck has done at WMU, how can you not appreciate what Mullen has done with less at MSU? He has recruited in the SEC, he is still rather young, and has had success at a place that hasnt had any before him.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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that may not have been his image but he absolutely wa
most people that have that level of success usually are. Think Belichick and Saban aren't arrogant? There is a difference between the way those guys carried themselves and the way Kiffin and McDaniels did.
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Also, go back and read my most recent post right after the one you were responding to (if you haven't already).
i did and i agree for the most part.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:46 pm to Lester Earl
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Dan Mullen
The thing about Mullen is that he didn't even get a sniff for the Florida job when it came open. Something fishy about that IMO.
Also he seems like a grade-A prick and if you're going to hire a prick why not just hire Petrino?
Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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The thing about Mullen is that he didn't even get a sniff for the Florida job when it came open. Something fishy about that IMO.
i think he and the AD didnt get along.
Re: Petrino. i have nothing against Petrino. What's the update on his buyout, though?
Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:52 pm to Lester Earl
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What's the update on his buyout, though?
10 million
Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:54 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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if you're going to hire a prick why not just hire Petrino?
Petrino would be my first choice
Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:57 pm to Lester Earl
quote:i honestly think that hire would put fear into the rest of the SEC more than any other name out there. If we hired Petrino and kept Aranda that would be an absolutely killer combination. That said i think that ship has sailed.
Re: Petrino. i have nothing against Petrino.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 2:57 pm to H-Town Tiger
Herman has one asset that most think is extremely important - - the proven ability to develop quarterbacks. Whoever we hire will have to be strong in this area.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:14 pm to drexyl
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I've heard that if someone has never been a coordinator then they should never be considered for a head coaching job.
Position coaches can jump straight to being head coach. Just win more than 3 conference games in 3 years when you get that opportunity.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:19 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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10 million
yea, that's a problem
Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:21 pm to Lester Earl
Petrino is my #2 choice behind TH
Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:24 pm to Salmon
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Fleck doesn't have any big, signature wins though
USM at one time beat Bama and FSU on the road.
Curley Hallman was the HC.
Posted on 10/24/16 at 3:27 pm to Lester Earl
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10 million
yea, that's a problem
its actually 10 million for every year left on his contract.
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