re: PJ Fleck has a better resume than Herman

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Did he?? or did he hire the High School coach of that 5* DT and that is why he went to Houston?

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yes

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How many o.c.'s for a n.c. team have gone on to be great h.c's? isn't that what the position is for? a h.c. position

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Off the top of my Jimbo Fisher is one. Depending on what you think of Mark Richt is another. But again, there is no magic formula so trying to find trait X is a waste of time. You look at a coaches resume and you tally up the pluses and the minuses what ever they are. In Hermans cases, 10 years as a successful OC at 4 different schools including a NC is a positive.

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If your going to discredit a guy who's been a h.c. for four years because the other guy has o.c's experience for a n.c. team, then it deserves criticism.

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I am doing no such thing, is that your objective? To "discredit" Herman? Your OP say Fleck has a better resume. I disagree. I've laid out why above.

I like Fleck just fine, I certainly wouldn't be upset if LSU hired him, but on paper at the moment, I see Herman as a better candidate and hence would hire him first. It's not about discrediting one guy over the other, but evaluating them overall. You seem more obsessed with making it about "Your guy" vs "the other guy".

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Let's look at some o.c's for n.c. teams. Tell me if you want them for your h.c., Coker, Crowton, Kiffen, Mullen, Malzahn, Herman, Kiffin, Macelwain, James Coley, Mangino.

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How many WR coaches for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have become elite HCs?

Why are you trying to find a pattern? It doesn't exist, so trying to discredit Herman because you can list some OC's for NC teams that didn't become great HC (though Coker did win a NC as a HC) shows me more that you are really about trashing one guy and not discussing the merits of all of them.

What year was that?

Listen to Fleck speak. He has a lot to learn & needs to be humbled before taking on a monster like LSU. His next step, as a 35yr old with little coaching experience, is a mid tier P5 school, not LSU. The timing is just wrong on him. I would approve Aranda as HC before him.

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I guess you weren't around back then. BR let out a collective "who??" when his name popped up right before he took the job.

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i can vouch for this - nobody had heard of Saban before and were actually a little pissed we hired the coach we had beaten in the independence bowl. even more pissed we were paying him $1M

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What year was that?

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Jon Gruden was 35 when he became the Raiders coach

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You've probably let a used car salesmen take you to the shed a time or 2 as well.

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what a pathetic reposnse from someone who clearly lacks any vision whatsoever

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The loudmouths aren't the guys you want. He'll learn that eventually and it won't be at LSU. Kiffin learned it, Josh McDaniels learned it. Kings bury is learning it. Fleck will be successful eventually but he needs to be knocked down before so

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Ok now you're just babbling nonsense

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Listen to Fleck speak. He has a lot to learn & needs to be humbled before taking on a monster like LSU. His next step, as a 35yr old with little coaching experience, is a mid tier P5 school, not LSU. The timing is just wrong on him. I would approve Aranda as HC before him.

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Amen.

Lack vision how?

Herman is a refined version of Fleck. Why would you want to gamble on Fleck? Makes zero sense

You are spot on lester. Herman is a very mature leader and while still youngish has paid his dues and has the demeanor you need at a program like lsu