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re: People Melting over Orgeron. Why not wait and see?
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:41 am to Smalls
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:41 am to Smalls
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People Melting over Orgeron. Why not wait and see?
I hope he wins out, but even then he should not be a lock. Why not?
His record as a full time Head Coach is horrible. Not average... horrible. And we can't say that's just because he was at Ole Miss, given their recent success. He may have improved and learned from that time, but 6 games as an interim HC is not proof of that.
I understand that we will likely lose some high value recruits when LSU goes in a different direction, but that's just the way it is. Same thing happened when Saban took over here, and when Harbough took over at Michigan. Small price to pay if we get the right guy... whoever that is.
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Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:45 am to Smalls
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People Melting over Orgeron. Why not wait and see?
Because I don't want him as the coach no matter what he does. I don't have to wait to say that.
When it came to building his own team, not taking over someone else's, he fell flat on his face. Does that mean he can't redeem himself? Of course he can redeem himself, nothing is set in stone. But what he does with this team would not be an indication of any redemption.
I hope the AD looks at credentials for full time head coaches building their own program in making this decision. It's not hard to see that Coach O just doesn't meet that grade right now.
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 9:51 am
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:51 am to Goldrush25
I honestly believe that if O won out and got the job and took LSU to the NCG next year there would still be people complaining that he sucked at Ole Miss and he's just a horrible coach, "wait and see".
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:53 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Tell me what more there is about Coach O that he hasn't been able to prove or wont be able to prove this season as far as being a head coach.
Recruiting -check
PR -check
Lack of meddling -check
Motivation - checkcheck
Gameday prep - check
Identifying self weaknesses - check
The unchecked boxes would be:
terrible record when he was an HC.
We were supposed to be this good this year. Miles really held us back this much ln offense. I didnt fully realize that until he left.
USC wouldn't give him a shot
Syracuse wouldn't hire him as HC either.
He hasn't even been offered a DC job let alone HC job.
Similar to one above, but when he was an actual HC and not interim he proved he wasn't ready for it. Has that changed? Maybe but LSU isn't the place for him to find it out.
All those things you mentioned you can get with any of the other top tier coaches out there. It's not exclusive to Coach O. So, why would he be the top choice over someone with all those "checks" who has a better HC resume?
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 9:55 am
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:54 am to BayouCowboy
Hey, I could be wrong. I don't think I am but I'm fully prepared to say I'm wrong if he gets the job and turns out to be a fantastic head coach.
Are his supporters willing to say that hiring him was an idiotic choice if he gets the job and he falls flat on his face again?
That's one thing I've noticed. No one that is advocating hiring Coach O seems to be even entertaining the possibility that he may once again be a miserable failure.
Are his supporters willing to say that hiring him was an idiotic choice if he gets the job and he falls flat on his face again?
That's one thing I've noticed. No one that is advocating hiring Coach O seems to be even entertaining the possibility that he may once again be a miserable failure.
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 9:57 am
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:55 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Gameday prep - check
Identifying self weaknesses - check
Beating 2 crap teams with far more talent doesnt erase the previous head coaching stop.
Like i said, us playing well is more of an indictment of miles than a plus for O.
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 9:56 am
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:57 am to Goldrush25
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Hey, I could be wrong. I don't think I am but I'm fully prepared to say I'm wrong if he gets the job and turns out to be a fantastic head coach.
Same here. I hope, if somehow he does get hired, that i look like a fool for doubting him.
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Are his supporters willing to say that hiring him was an idiotic choice if he gets the job and he falls flat on his face again?
99% certain that's a no. See les miles supporters as evidence.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 10:01 am to drexyl
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USC possibly. Can't see any of the others doing it.
I'd love to see them come back crawling on their knees begging for the "O Face". Lol.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 10:04 am to sjmabry
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Les would have struggled to put away these teams, though.
I agree that Les would have struggled in tht he would have hancuffed the offense. These games say more about how bad Les was instead of what Coach O is doing. Lets wait till after we play some teams with a defense and/or actual gameplan. Florida beat Mizzou with almost identical results and UTSA hung over 50 points on Southern Miss. Does that really tell us that O is the savior? Absolutely not.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 10:17 am to BayouCowboy
The people that don't want Coach O are looking at previous results, facts, statistics, basically things that have actually happened. The people that do want Coach O are looking at potential, hope, believing that he's learned from his mistakes and can run a program full-time, basically things that have not been proven yet.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 10:27 am to 7nette
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The people that don't want Coach O are looking at previous results, facts, statistics, basically things that have actually happened. The people that do want Coach O are looking at potential, hope, believing that he's learned from his mistakes and can run a program full-time, basically things that have not been proven yet.
It's as simple as that. It really is.
I totally get the appeal of coach O, he may turn out to be great. But wanting him as a HC is 100% lowering the expectations of the LSU program.
We should be shooting for the moon here, not rooting for someone that 'doesn't screw it up'. Which is precisely what they are claiming O is at this point.
It's very weak minded.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 10:45 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Again, if Coach was this great game day coach why wasnt he getting defensive coordinator offers? Why wasnt he successful AT ALL at ole miss?
Also just because YOU couldnt see the huge differences in our offense under Jimbo, crowton,and Cam then thats on you. The football ignorant people that act like we have ran the same exact offense during miles tenure just proves they dont know what they're seeing on game day.
You're swinging at a combination of air and straw here man. I defended Miles as much as anyone on TD until the day he was fired, and I remember vividly the meerkat offense under crowton and how it didn't compare to Stud's miserable play action with no action. If you don't still think Miles's traditional philosophy wasn't at least dictating how they were executed in not sure what to tell you.
Also, I have no idea why you're so hung up on whether he was offered as a DC. It's a completely different skillset from HC and plenty of coordinators fall flat when they have to manage the whole thing. Recruiting coordinator Is a much more translatable skillset from a program management point of view, that's the true assistant head coach at just about every major program. By your logic Lane Kiffin and John Chavis should be slam dunk HCs.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 10:57 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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u're swinging at a combination of air and straw here man. I defended Miles as much as anyone on TD until the day he was fired, and I remember vividly the meerkat offense under crowton and how it didn't compare to Stud's miserable play action with no action. If you don't still think Miles's traditional philosophy wasn't at least dictating how they were executed in not sure what to tell you.
Yeah. We ran prostyle offense with some spread sprinkled in under crowton.
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Also, I have no idea why you're so hung up on whether he was offered as a DC. It's a completely different skillset from HC and plenty of coordinators fall flat when they have to manage the whole thing. Recruiting coordinator Is a much more translatable skillset from a program management point of view, that's the true assistant head coach at just about every major program. By your logic Lane Kiffin and John Chavis should be slam dunk HCs.
Please point to my posts saying a good coordinator always makes a good hc.
What im saying is Coach O wasnt even getting DC offers. In no way does that mean every coordinator would make a good hc. You want a position coach to take over one of the 10 best jobs in cfb because he got a team dripping with talent to play better than the coach that was FIRED. No program was even considering Coach O for a coordinator position.
Its insanity. Anyone that wants Coach O to be lsu's hc going forward are not putting lsu's long term success in the hands of a proven winner. Les Miles had far better resume than what Coach O has and no one was happy upon his hiring.
You want a coach that wasnt successful enough to keep the ole miss job.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 11:05 am to Smalls
Are you retarded? This is is tigerdroppings, do these dumbasses ever wait for anything??
Posted on 10/20/16 at 11:53 am to Rickdaddy4188
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What im saying is Coach O wasnt even getting DC offers. In no way does that mean every coordinator would make a good hc. You want a position coach to take over one of the 10 best jobs in cfb because he got a team dripping with talent to play better than the coach that was FIRED. No program was even considering Coach O for a coordinator position.
I don't want O yet. That's the point. I simply believe that he has the rest of the package, and the only question to me is if he can translate it to winning on the field. I think the next month or so will prove that one way or the other. You're also being pretty disingenuous to keep calling him a position coach as if that's the only title on his resume, he has had plenty of others that make his situation very unique, we aren't talking about hiring Corey Raymond as HC.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 12:49 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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You're also being pretty disingenuous to keep calling him a position coach as if that's the only title on his resume, he has had plenty of others that make his situation very unique, we aren't talking about hiring Corey Raymond as HC.
He was a position coach. He wasnt getting any offers to be a defensive coordinator. Its telling that you have a problem with saying lsu shouldn't promote their Dline coach(THATS WHAT HE WAS) to permanent head coach.
Do you think coach O would be a candidate for HC at Bama, usc,texas,florida,ohio state,auburn?
If not then why the hell would you want him to be lsu's hc?
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:00 pm to HMTVBrian2
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He was a bad head coach
Posted on 10/20/16 at 1:13 pm to Smalls
I can assure you that if LSU wins out and has double digit wins against all of them there will be people on here that go ballistic if Alleva names him HC.
they are spoiled little titty babies. the Herman "camp" will go ballistic no matter who we hire unless its him.
I want the best coach we can get. simple. I am NOT convinced it's Herman but I will support him if he's the man. the SEC is a big boy league and LSU is rough on head coaches.
they are spoiled little titty babies. the Herman "camp" will go ballistic no matter who we hire unless its him.
I want the best coach we can get. simple. I am NOT convinced it's Herman but I will support him if he's the man. the SEC is a big boy league and LSU is rough on head coaches.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:05 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Beating 2 crap teams with far more talent doesnt erase the previous head coaching stop.
Like i said, us playing well is more of an indictment of miles than a plus for O.
Those were checks thus far. I'm in a wait and see mode for my final opinion on hiring him.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 2:09 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I'm in a wait and see mode for my final opinion on hiring him.
Being a great interim coach and being a great permanent head coach are 2 totally different skill sets. Obviously O is a great interim coach but what happened at Ole Miss is pretty damning, especially when LSU will have plenty of other options out there even past Herman and Fisher.
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