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re: If we were to get Leach
Posted on 11/29/10 at 1:47 pm to Chicot
Posted on 11/29/10 at 1:47 pm to Chicot
so you're assuming that with Leach as OC our offense next year would be so potent that a handful of passing plays they would score everytime on the field.
thus never allowing the defense to rest?
if so....2 things.
- Our D never rests now because we go 3 and out ALOT.
- You don't think we could temper the O to run the ball more when we have a lead or our D needs to rest?
thus never allowing the defense to rest?
if so....2 things.
- Our D never rests now because we go 3 and out ALOT.
- You don't think we could temper the O to run the ball more when we have a lead or our D needs to rest?
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Posted on 11/29/10 at 1:48 pm to lanceb
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Would Leach possibly run the ball with good running backs to salt away a win if he knew he had a defense that could protect a lead when not worn out
This is the kind of discussion that we should be having. Take notes Books!
By the way, lanceb, what do you think Leach would do with the RBs? Would he use them to work the clock to close someone out? I will admit that the only knowledge I have of Leach is from his time at TT. Did you use the RBs in a more traditional role at his other stops? I don't seem to remember UK running that much. But during that time, I followed only LSU. Nothing else existed to me outside of LSU during those years.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 1:49 pm to Chicot
quote:never argued he's the best possible, but I think he'd be a very very good hire and his positives as a coach far out weigh his negatives
But you still haven't added anything to say why you think Leach is the best possible OC that LSU should be pursuing?
quote:I can't think of one of the top of my head, but like I already spelled out LSU doesnt have to maintain the absolute best Defense if it means score 10-15 more ppg, and a quick strike offense doesn't make LSU all of a sudden a terrible defense.
By the way, still waiting: Name one team that runs or ran a spread offense that also had a top 10 defense consistently?
Posted on 11/29/10 at 1:52 pm to Klark Kent
quote:
- Our D never rests now because we go 3 and out ALOT.
you're forgetting that our 3 and outs typically include a penalty, a time-out and an injury...couple that with the CBS TV timeout that takes 5 minutes, and our D is well rested.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 1:52 pm to stout
quote:care to show where I'm off? or are you another idiot that thinks a quick strike offense kills LSU's defense?
stout
Posted on 11/29/10 at 1:53 pm to Klark Kent
quote:
so you're assuming that with Leach as OC our offense next year would be so potent that a handful of passing plays they would score everytime on the field.
I am not assuming that at all. That is what the over the top Leach-ates are thinking. That he will come in and all of a sudden turn us into a scoring machine. Sure we wouldn't likely score in three plays on every drive (
), but it isn't like we go 3 and out every drive now either. quote:
You don't think we could temper the O to run the ball more when we have a lead or our D needs to rest?
See my post above. I really don't know if Leach would use our RBs in that way. I can't say I have followed his teams that heavily before he got to TT. I just know he very seldom ran to consume the clock or sustain drives while there.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 1:53 pm to ForeLSU
quote:, thought you were reaching before, but this is good shite
you're forgetting that our 3 and outs typically include a penalty, a time-out and an injury...couple that with the CBS TV timeout that takes 5 minutes, and our D is well rested.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 1:55 pm to ForeLSU
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CBS TV timeout that takes 5 minutes, and our D is
CBS loves when a player gets injured. More commercial time for them.
Also if Leach to LSU does happen, it is safe to say that Jefferson will transfer?
Posted on 11/29/10 at 2:01 pm to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
yea jj has no place in a leach system. he should be gone. I really think with leach coaching him lee could be great.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 2:01 pm to Books
So you are admitting that I responded to your question.
This was my response to your question. And in my response, I asked you a question, which you just responded to. You know why you can't think of a team that runs the spread that had a top 10 defense consistently? Because it doesn't happen.
In the SEC, defense and the running game win championships. See LSU 2003, 2007. See Florida even with Tebow. See Alabama last year.
And by the way, where do you get that we had terrible T.O.P for the entire season? We average over 29 minutes of possession for the year. Not very good, but defintely not terrible.
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How is this fricking stupid?!?! Name one team that runs or ran a spread offense that also had a top 10 defense consistently?
This was my response to your question. And in my response, I asked you a question, which you just responded to. You know why you can't think of a team that runs the spread that had a top 10 defense consistently? Because it doesn't happen.
In the SEC, defense and the running game win championships. See LSU 2003, 2007. See Florida even with Tebow. See Alabama last year.
And by the way, where do you get that we had terrible T.O.P for the entire season? We average over 29 minutes of possession for the year. Not very good, but defintely not terrible.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 2:05 pm to Chicot
auburn just went undefeated with a pretty shitty d.They had the run game part but when giving the talent LSU has id think leach can adapt. the guy is not stupid he is a good offensive mind so im sure he could use our talent.
i think we would look alot like oklahomas o with leach but maybe even more runs considering what we have
i think we would look alot like oklahomas o with leach but maybe even more runs considering what we have
Posted on 11/29/10 at 2:07 pm to hg
So lets see... Leach is considered one of the top picks for coach for the Miami job. Why again would he want to be the OC for LSU, when he could be the head coach in beautiful Miami?
Posted on 11/29/10 at 2:08 pm to Chicot
answering a question w/ a question isn't much of an answer
it doesn't need to happen to win if your offense is offsetting the difference. And again, LSU's defense isn't gonna go from top 10 to terrible w/ the way things are set up on that side
All this said, Holgerson would probably be my top choice b/c he is more balanced, but I'd be excited ab Leach as well if that's what happened.
quote:
You know why you can't think of a team that runs the spread that had a top 10 defense consistently? Because it doesn't happen.
it doesn't need to happen to win if your offense is offsetting the difference. And again, LSU's defense isn't gonna go from top 10 to terrible w/ the way things are set up on that side
quote:there's more than one way to win, and just bc it's something different doesn't mean it won't work. When's the last time a passing guru that also had a stable of RBs like LSU's was teamed w/ a group as talented and well coached as LSU is on defense?
In the SEC, defense and the running game win championships. See LSU 2003, 2007. See Florida even with Tebow. See Alabama last year.
quote:no. 70 out of 112 is pretty damn bad
And by the way, where do you get that we had terrible T.O.P for the entire season? We average over 29 minutes of possession for the year. Not very good, but defintely not terrible.
All this said, Holgerson would probably be my top choice b/c he is more balanced, but I'd be excited ab Leach as well if that's what happened.
This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 11/29/10 at 3:04 pm to Books
Without even getting into a TOP debate I think teams with an offensive system like that suffer on defense because the entire mindset of the program changes. There is no physicality. IMO the defense gets soft because they never have to practice against any kind of physical play. The scout team can't even give them a good look because you hardly have any TEs or FBs on the roster. You need a ton of depth at WR, those scholarships come at the expense of other positions, could it affect the depth on defense?
I already know some of the responses. Yes he ran the ball 20 times a game or whatever. But running 15 draw plays is not being physical. Yes Auburn runs the ball a lot, but it is a power running game with their QB (and their defense still sucks). The argument that he didn't care about defense holds no water. Do you honestly think a head coach would neglect it like that? Don't you believe at some point he thought "hey, I seem to be scoring a bunch of points, if we had a defense we might actually get to play for a championship"?
Sure, he could adapt his style, but that is part of our problem now. We have too much of a mix and do not have a style we can depend.
Overall I am just of the opinion that this type of system changes the mindset and culture of the program entirely. You'll get no argument from me that we would score more and have a better offense. But I think overall we would resort to having to beat people in shootouts more often than not.
Sorry for any typos, posted from iPhone.
I already know some of the responses. Yes he ran the ball 20 times a game or whatever. But running 15 draw plays is not being physical. Yes Auburn runs the ball a lot, but it is a power running game with their QB (and their defense still sucks). The argument that he didn't care about defense holds no water. Do you honestly think a head coach would neglect it like that? Don't you believe at some point he thought "hey, I seem to be scoring a bunch of points, if we had a defense we might actually get to play for a championship"?
Sure, he could adapt his style, but that is part of our problem now. We have too much of a mix and do not have a style we can depend.
Overall I am just of the opinion that this type of system changes the mindset and culture of the program entirely. You'll get no argument from me that we would score more and have a better offense. But I think overall we would resort to having to beat people in shootouts more often than not.
Sorry for any typos, posted from iPhone.
This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 11/29/10 at 3:08 pm to MOT
with the talent we have its not that big of deal if the d doesn't always go up against a bruising power scout o.
the talent at tech and LSU are 2 different animals. That is part of the reason our d wont go to shite if we have a high powered pass first o. Have you been to tech? its in the middle of no where and they are behind all kinds of schools for texas recruits because the football stars are mostly in east texas.
The LSU d will be just fine with leach at oc. we keep the current staff on d and our talent plus leach tayloring his offense a little bit to be more balanced at LSU and we end up with a nc
the talent at tech and LSU are 2 different animals. That is part of the reason our d wont go to shite if we have a high powered pass first o. Have you been to tech? its in the middle of no where and they are behind all kinds of schools for texas recruits because the football stars are mostly in east texas.
The LSU d will be just fine with leach at oc. we keep the current staff on d and our talent plus leach tayloring his offense a little bit to be more balanced at LSU and we end up with a nc
Posted on 11/29/10 at 3:09 pm to Books
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it doesn't need to happen to win if your offense is offsetting the difference. And again, LSU's defense isn't gonna go from top 10 to terrible w/ the way things are set up on that side
By that logic then, our offense doesn't need to improve at all because our defense is already offsetting the difference. See the problem with that line of thinking?
quote:
When's the last time a passing guru that also had a stable of RBs like LSU's was teamed w/ a group as talented and well coached as LSU is on defense?
You know why a passing guru doesn't typically have a stable of RBs like LSU's? Because they either leave due to lack of playing time/not being involved in the offense or they never go to said passing guru's team in the first place.
quote:
All this said, Holgerson would probably be my top choice b/c he is more balanced,
Then why the frick are you arguing with me! So you would prefer Holgerson because he is more balanced, but I am an idiot because I would prefer someone that is more balanced than Leach?
And you say I am fricking stupid? Thanks for arguing against me all the while being of the same opinion dipshite.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 3:13 pm to heartbreakTiger
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The LSU d will be just fine with leach at oc. we keep the current staff on d and our talent plus leach tayloring his offense a little bit to be more balanced at LSU
Why not just get an OC who's specialty is balanced and has proven success being a balanced OC? Louisiana puts out Rbs by the dozen. LSU gets their choice. Leach is a great offensive mind, but Leach does not fit what we need in an OC. We dont need to force a style on someone. Get someone who's style match up with our offensive goals (which includes having a strong power running game) and our states talent-Running back.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 3:18 pm to MOT
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MOT
quote:
Without even getting into a TOP debate I think teams with an offensive system like that suffer on defense because the entire mindset of the program changes. There is no physicality. IMO the defense gets soft because they never have to practice against any kind of physical play. The scout team can't even give them a good look because you hardly have any TEs or FBs on the roster. You need a ton of depth at WR, those scholarships come at the expense of other positions, could it affect the depth on defense? ...(abbreviated)
Damn fine statement!! Couldn't agree more!!!
Posted on 11/29/10 at 3:18 pm to Adam Banks
i didn't say we would change leach to a balance oc. He will just taylor his game a little bit to be able to run more than he did at tech. Id be fine with a balanced oc coming in but im defiantly not against leach being here bc i think he is a great coach. I just think people are wrong about how bad our d would be come under him.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 3:28 pm to Chicot
quote:LSU's offense was 112 then 90-something this yr. how is that comparable to ,say, a top 25 offense?
By that logic then, our offense doesn't need to improve at all because our defense is already offsetting the difference. See the problem with that line of thinking?
quote:really? where's this happened?
You know why a passing guru doesn't typically have a stable of RBs like LSU's? Because they either leave due to lack of playing time/not being involved in the offense or they never go to said passing guru's team in the first place.
quote:bc your dumbass used the logic that a passing offense means the defense starts giving up 40+. I am not opposed to Leach and think he could be great at LSU, you apparently think he transforms LSU into the spitting image of TT
Then why the frick are you arguing with me! So you would prefer Holgerson because he is more balanced, but I am an idiot because I would prefer someone that is more balanced than Leach?
And you say I am fricking stupid? Thanks for arguing against me all the while being of the same opinion dipshite.
This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 3:29 pm
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