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re: If Charlie Strong is really gone...
Posted on 10/11/16 at 5:25 am to Ironhead985
Posted on 10/11/16 at 5:25 am to Ironhead985
Guess I will make the obligatory post that gets made every time the Texas job opens up:
Saban to Texas
Saban to Texas
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 5:51 am to Spirit Of Aggieland
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Charlie Strong was Texas' 8th choice, or something like that. They've been turned down a lot. So the idea that Texas is the best job in coaching is a myth.
Being in the worst conference for the foreseeable future is definitely a negative. No conference champ game. Can't get season ticket holders excited about that weak home schedule. Also, as Herbstreit pointed out, that environment is not good at all. Toxic.
Agreed, and I said this ad nauseum on here back when everyone wanted to believe the Saban to Texas bullshite. Saban was never going to Texas.
What people have to understand about Texas -- and what we and A&M know from playing in the same conference as them for a half century -- is that Austin is a very odd and toxic environment for a football coach. They have money, but the inmates definitely run the asylum there, as evidenced by the backbiting from guys like Red McCombs the minute Strong was hired. Their boosters are an odd breed because many of them are more concerned with access than winning, and you have to have a lot of politician in you to succeed there. For all his flaws, Mack Brown did do a good job of navigating that political minefield, kissing babies and yucking it up with big money donors while also fielding good football teams.
A sports writer whose name escapes me put it best a few years ago -- UT athletics has a hundred Jerry Joneses who want to be in the know and/or have a say on everything.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 8:38 am to Tiger Tracker
Is there any proof that Herman is UT's first choice? Seems like after how Charlie Strong worked out, they might be interested in a safer hire with a more established HC than another up and comer. Also their offense is pretty good already but defense is in shambles. Why bring in an offensive guy that might still have problems fixing the defense?
Posted on 10/11/16 at 10:21 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Why get into a bidding war for Coach Herman when we got just as good of a Head Coach in Coach O. Coach Herman is not God, Navy took it to Houston and beat them. This is my question, can Coach Herman recruit as good in Louisiana as well as Coach O does? Coach O always has his team well prepare for each and every game. We have our Coach in my option.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:36 pm to LSUfan1950
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This is my question, can Coach Herman recruit as good in Louisiana as well as Coach O does?
Probably not right away, but if that's your only criteria for why O is better than Herman it's not a good enough criteria to make that assumption. Also, we do recruit in Texas a place herman could start helping us out in.
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we got just as good of a Head Coach in Coach O.
Look at their HC records and tell me that with a straight face.
I know it's your opinion so i will try and not explode on these assessments you have made as to why coach O is better than Herman, but please read the other "why herman is a great HC" option on this board. I don't want to type it all again. Again, it's your opinion, but i feel like it's more emotionally centered than objectively centered.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 8:09 pm to Spirit Of Aggieland
I know you're an Ag fan but Strong was UT's 1st choice. He was the hottest coach in CFB 3 years ago.
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Posted on 10/12/16 at 5:13 am to LSUfan1950
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Why get into a bidding war for Coach Herman when we got just as good of a Head Coach in Coach O.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 8:38 am to TigerintheNO
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What purpose would it serve? Texas under Strong will likely still get to 6/7 wins.
We will? We haven't won a game in over a month. Iowa State skunked us last season 24-0 and has been playing teams close as of late. Kansas State looks balanced, Baylor is 5-0, Texas Tech will be a shootout, West Virginia is undefeated, Kansas just played TCU down to the wire and the weather is typically always abysmal, and Tcu has beaten us to then tune of 98-17 in the Strong era.
With this defense, a defense that Strong took over, nothing is a given.
Texas - 50 Notre Dame - 47 (W)
Texas - 41 UTEP - 7 (W)
Texas - 43 Cal - 50 (L)
Texas - 31 Oklahoma State - 49 (L)
Texas - 40 Oklahoma (45) L
Texas vs. Iowa State
Texas @ Kansas State
Texas vs. Baylor
Texas @ Texas Tech
Texas vs. West Virginia
Texas @ Kansas
Texas vs. Tcu
Posted on 10/12/16 at 8:55 am to Feral
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Agreed, and I said this ad nauseum on here back when everyone wanted to believe the Saban to Texas bullshite. Saban was never going to Texas.
You could not be more wrong.
The truth will come out after he retires.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 9:18 am to UFFan
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I know you're an Ag fan but Strong was UT's 1st choice. He was the hottest coach in CFB 3 years ago.
I live in Austin, and have friends close to the program.
Strong was not the #1 choice. He was somewhere around 4th maybe 5th. They did get turned down by a couple coaches. Strong's name was always mentioned but never as the #1 choice. I a lot of people didn't think he would fit the culture. Now, they are finding out he doesn't.
Strong, was a Patterson hire and he is not good at the glad handing and yucking it up that Texas boosters are used to.
If he doesn't get fired this year, I think its just because they are getting turned down by other coaches again.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 9:22 am to PoppaD
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Strong was not the #1 choice.
You're right about that
Posted on 10/12/16 at 9:30 am to LSUfan1950
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Why get into a bidding war for Coach Herman when we got just as good of a Head Coach in Coach O.
So you think Lsu fired Miles and payed him 13 million to go away so we could hire our dline coach?
I have nothing against CEO but he will not be the coach. Give it up. This really is a make or break hire for Alleva. if this hire goes bad Alleva is out of a job in the next few years. CEO is not the safe choice Alleva will make.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 9:32 am to Feral
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They have money, but the inmates definitely run the asylum there, as evidenced by the backbiting from guys like Red McCombs the minute Strong was hired. Their boosters are an odd breed because many of them are more concerned with access than winning, and you have to have a lot of politician in you to succeed there
Put it this way: under Mack Brown, top-level boosters flew with the team on the team plane to away games.
That's the kind of culture people are talking about when they say 'there's too much meddling', 'the job requires too much booster coddling', 'there's too much back-biting', or 'it's a cesspool'.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 9:42 am to LSUfan1950
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Why get into a bidding war for Coach Herman when we got just as good of a Head Coach in Coach O.
You have no basis to say this whatsoever. Their resumes are not comparable by a long way.
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Coach O always has his team well prepare for each and every game. We have our Coach in my option.
As proven by his 10-25 record at ole miss.
You guys have to stop lying about this shite. It's getting dangerous.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 9:44 am to LSUfan1950
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can Coach Herman recruit as good in Louisiana as well as Coach O does?
Saban and miles had never recruited louisiana before they got here. A young winning coach with a big name will recruit just as well as O. And don't forget he's been in Texas most of his career, not Egypt.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 11:08 am to Restomod
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You could not be more wrong.
The truth will come out after he retires.
Do tell. I don't usually enjoy fiction, but this might be interesting.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 11:13 am to bamasgot13
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Do tell. I don't usually enjoy fiction, but this might be interesting.
There was a real estate agent that blew the whole thing up. They started bragging about showing Ms.Terry homes on Lake Travis. Word started getting around before Sabans season was over and he pulled the plug.
That's either fiction or truth, but that real estate agent did brag about showing Terry houses.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 11:39 am to PoppaD
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That's either fiction or truth, but that real estate agent did brag about showing Terry houses.
This has been said in 2007 about Terry looking in BR when rumors were going around that Les was heading to Mich and Saban wanted back at LSU. It was said about Terry in Texas in 2012 and 2013. It was even said about Terry in West Virginia before they hired Holgo (b/c, i guess, Saban wanted to come home).
This same rumor is out about her every time there is a job that Saban's name is mentioned in connection with and the only time it has been proven to be accurate was when she was in BR before he left MSU.
I just don't think Saban really entertained leaving. I think he entertained Texas as leverage (not that he needed it) and entertained Texas b/c he and Terry were on that "appreciated" kick, but why uproot everything for same money (Bama would've matched) and a harder chance at championships (compared to what he had build at Bama)? It's never made any sense.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 11:53 am to bamasgot13
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Posted on 10/12/16 at 12:03 pm to LSUfan1950
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Why get into a bidding war for Coach Herman when we got just as good of a Head Coach in Coach O.
After the interim HC job, O needs to prove himself as a good coach at a mid-major P5 fb school. We would talk if he could build a winning fb program there after 3-4 years. LSU is just too big a fb program for a coach with a losing records/resume like him right now.
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