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If Charlie Strong is really gone...
Posted on 10/9/16 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 10/9/16 at 1:30 pm
What are they waiting for? Honestly, if Herman is the guy they want, and it doesn't matter what Strong does. Then, why wait to fire him?
I was expecting to wake up to Strong fired notice kinda like Les, but nothing yet. Anyone know why they would leave Strong the rest of the season and give him a chance to pull this season out the gutter? If he goes above .500 do you think they still pull the plug? If his defense is drastically imrpoved at year end, what does UT do?
I'm just curious why (if they don't this week) they would let him hang around and redeem himself. Doesn't make sense to me if Herman is their guy. Any thoughts as to why you would let him linger until the end of season if Texas has already decided to fire him, regardless of performance? Seems like it just hurts their chances of getting their next coach.
I was expecting to wake up to Strong fired notice kinda like Les, but nothing yet. Anyone know why they would leave Strong the rest of the season and give him a chance to pull this season out the gutter? If he goes above .500 do you think they still pull the plug? If his defense is drastically imrpoved at year end, what does UT do?
I'm just curious why (if they don't this week) they would let him hang around and redeem himself. Doesn't make sense to me if Herman is their guy. Any thoughts as to why you would let him linger until the end of season if Texas has already decided to fire him, regardless of performance? Seems like it just hurts their chances of getting their next coach.
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Posted on 10/9/16 at 1:33 pm to Tiger Tracker
Because you won't be able to officially talk to Herman till the end of the season anyway.
Even if Strong wins out - which he wont - they could still fire him
Even if Strong wins out - which he wont - they could still fire him
Posted on 10/9/16 at 1:36 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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Because you won't be able to officially talk to Herman till the end of the season anyway.
Right "officially" being the operative word though. I don't think that's a reason to keep strong. The only thing i can think of is because who steps in.
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Even if Strong wins out - which he wont - they could still fire him
I get that they could, but seems like you wouldn't want more shitty press like that. Leave the guy in, he wins out, and then fire his arse. Media would destroy you...until you win a NC, lol.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 1:51 pm to Tiger Tracker
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What are they waiting for? Honestly, if Herman is the guy they want, and it doesn't matter what Strong does. Then, why wait to fire him?
Here are a couple of possible reasons to wait.
A. Herman is the guy they want, but he hasn't agreed to their terms. They are still negotiating, hoping he will change his mind.
B. Herman was their A guy, but he turned them down. They are now negotiating with B, or C, or D.....
C. They have nobody on the staff that they are confident in making him the HC for the rest of the season.
D. They have a deal with their guy but part of the deal is, "Don't announce Strong's firing until after my regular season is over. I don't need the distractions from the fans and media asking me about the opening at Texas."
And, what's the rush in announcing the firing? The new guy isn't gonna come until December anyway.
Note: I'm just giving possible scenarios why they haven't announced it. I started scanning the net at midnight last night looking for stories that Strong, Kelly or Helfrich was fired.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 2:01 pm to Tiger Tracker
What purpose would it serve? Texas under Strong will likely still get to 6/7 wins. Then you can say they gave him 3 years.
Who becomes the coach? The offensive coaches were all replaced in the off season. Texas OC, Sterlin Gilbert, was an assistant high school football coach 5 years ago. This is his first year coaching with a P5 school. I guess they would have to go with Charlie Williams as the interim.
Strong is the defacto DC, after demoting long time assistant Bedford last week to working with the secondary. If you get rid of Strong, Brick Haley is running your defense.
Who becomes the coach? The offensive coaches were all replaced in the off season. Texas OC, Sterlin Gilbert, was an assistant high school football coach 5 years ago. This is his first year coaching with a P5 school. I guess they would have to go with Charlie Williams as the interim.
Strong is the defacto DC, after demoting long time assistant Bedford last week to working with the secondary. If you get rid of Strong, Brick Haley is running your defense.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 2:13 pm to TigerintheNO
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Who becomes the coach?
I think that's the most probable reason.
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What purpose would it serve? Texas under Strong will likely still get to 6/7 wins. Then you can say they gave him 3 years.
Except the fact you run the risk he is able to improve the defense and win most if not all his remaining games. Granted, it's a long shot for sure, but if he does what do you do then?
Perhaps i am putting too much stock in to the "Texas media appearance" factor. You fire this guy with a 5 mil buyout when he was able to win out or most in the last half of the season and the D is on track again? Seems like a PR nightmare to me, but i had to watch the whole Les debacle last year too.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 2:22 pm to Tiger Tracker
I believe that the posters on this thread have a better chance of being Texas head coach next year than Charlie Strong does.
He's not even on the hot seat as much as he's already fired and is a dead man walking.
He's not even on the hot seat as much as he's already fired and is a dead man walking.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 2:24 pm to bret75
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B. Herman was their A guy, but he turned them down. They are now negotiating with B, or C, or D.....
I'll take B. for 1,000 Alex.
I get it. I guess I feel they are giving him a chance at redemption. That's my only hang up. How messy/terrible that would be if he did turn it around before year end. Feel like they are shooting themselves in the foot if they don't pull the trigger now.
Also, might deter a potential hire if he sees them doing this to a guy who is making the team better over time. I know Strong has his issues. I'm just saying if they did turn it around a HC in waiting could be turned off by how they treat strong at the end and decide to go elsewhere.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 2:28 pm to UFFan
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I believe that the posters on this thread have a better chance of being Texas head coach next year than Charlie Strong does.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 2:31 pm to UFFan
Alright. Thanks everyone for their input. Definitely don't disagree with the reasons why not.
Last question: Am I putting too much stock in to the media appearance if Charlie is able to turn it around? In other words, if he somehow fixes the defense and wins all but say one of his games does Texas still fire him and pay the buyout?
Last question: Am I putting too much stock in to the media appearance if Charlie is able to turn it around? In other words, if he somehow fixes the defense and wins all but say one of his games does Texas still fire him and pay the buyout?
Posted on 10/9/16 at 3:55 pm to Tiger Tracker
I seriously doubt it would happen, but if fixes the defense and wins out no he doesn't get fired. That would be a 10 win season.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 4:00 pm to TigerintheNO
I guess UT has as much faith in him as this board. Lol
Posted on 10/9/16 at 5:33 pm to Tiger Tracker
Assumptions, assumptions- what if Texas has someone else in mind? Everyone assumes Herman is their man, but there will always be those behind closed doors who feel otherwise. Does a loss to a lowly Navy change things? Remember, it was UConn last year..
It's going to be fun over the next few months, that's for sure!
It's going to be fun over the next few months, that's for sure!
Posted on 10/9/16 at 5:52 pm to Tiger in Texas
Herman or not, if they have their guy lined up, i would be concerned about your current HC making a statement to stay. So many people like media, boosters, president, ad, could turn on you if Strong is able to eek out a salvageable. I guess it's a risk they will take.
Most definitely! I would imagine TD crashes on the day it's announced. Lol.
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It's going to be fun over the next few months, that's for sure!
Most definitely! I would imagine TD crashes on the day it's announced. Lol.
Posted on 10/9/16 at 8:53 pm to TigerintheNO
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Who becomes the coach? The offensive coaches were all replaced in the off season. Texas OC, Sterlin Gilbert, was an assistant high school football coach 5 years ago. This is his first year coaching with a P5 school. I guess they would have to go with Charlie Williams as the interim.
Strong is the defacto DC, after demoting long time assistant Bedford last week to working with the secondary. If you get rid of Strong, Brick Haley is running your defense.
Agreed, and this is probably why they won't fire Strong during the season. They have no associate or assistant head coach, and they have a fairly weak staff of assistants. The I have a first year OC who came from Tulsa, and Strong is essentially their interim DC. Plus, I doubt they want to make the season even more of a shite show than it already is.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 3:22 am to Tiger Tracker
Keep in mind, Perrin is the interim AD right now who is picking up after the media and public relations disaster that was Patterson. Not only would he hesitate to fire and then hire someone who he won't be the one to have to live with, thereby setting both the new coach and the new AD up for failure, but there are still staunch supporters of Charlie, or at least those who believe that he deserves more than 2 and a half years to make it work. I mean Les had what? 11 years? Ron Turner had five himself.
Bottom line is the smart play is to let Charlie coach it out and see how it works out. Win or lose Perrin's decision can become a lot more clearer in a month.
Bottom line is the smart play is to let Charlie coach it out and see how it works out. Win or lose Perrin's decision can become a lot more clearer in a month.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:58 pm to Tiger Tracker
Charlie Strong was Texas' 8th choice, or something like that. They've been turned down a lot. So the idea that Texas is the best job in coaching is a myth.
Being in the worst conference for the foreseeable future is definitely a negative. No conference champ game. Can't get season ticket holders excited about that weak home schedule. Also, as Herbstreit pointed out, that environment is not good at all. Toxic.
Being in the worst conference for the foreseeable future is definitely a negative. No conference champ game. Can't get season ticket holders excited about that weak home schedule. Also, as Herbstreit pointed out, that environment is not good at all. Toxic.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 12:35 am to Spirit Of Aggieland
I agree.
I was curious where all the cocky UT fans were. You know the ones who say herman is lock at UT. How UT is soooo much better than LSU, etc. Etc. I haven't seen any of them comment yet.
I live in Austin, and while i prefer to LIVE in austin over BR, i can tell you UT football doesn't half 50% the spirit and fanbase as LSU. when people invite me to "tailgate" here i always chuckle to myself. Just nothing stands a chance to a saturday tailgate followed by a night game in death valley.
Anyway, yeah i hope Herman views UT in that same light.
I was curious where all the cocky UT fans were. You know the ones who say herman is lock at UT. How UT is soooo much better than LSU, etc. Etc. I haven't seen any of them comment yet.
I live in Austin, and while i prefer to LIVE in austin over BR, i can tell you UT football doesn't half 50% the spirit and fanbase as LSU. when people invite me to "tailgate" here i always chuckle to myself. Just nothing stands a chance to a saturday tailgate followed by a night game in death valley.
Anyway, yeah i hope Herman views UT in that same light.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:55 am to Tiger Tracker
We seriously need to get #blackcoachesmatter trending. Someone mentioned it as a joke but it could work 
Posted on 10/11/16 at 1:57 am to Tiger Tracker
Dude, the only reason LSU ditched Miles 4 games in is because they felt that this team had the potential to be better without Miles THIS YEAR. There were better coaching options on the staff already. I'm sure if Texas felt the same about the folks on Charlie's staff being able to do better, they would have made the move also.
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