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How have CFB coaches who replaced some of the winningest coaches of all time fared?
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:15 pm
With The GOAT hanging it up at Bama, it appears that they have hired a solid coach who has won at every stop. If you told Bama nation 8 months ago that Saban would retire at the end of the season and Kalen DeBoer would replace him, 80% of them would've responded with LMAO who??? That said, he's the guy and he can coach. What does history show us when the next up coach replaces some of the winningest coaches in the sport?
Joe Paterno - 409 wins
Replaced by Bill O'Brien, lasted 2 seasons
2012 8-4
2013 7-5
Bobby Bowden - 346 wins
Replaced by Jimbo Fisher, lasted 8 seasons, 1 natty
2010 10-4
2011 9-4
2012 12-2
2013 14-0 wins it all w/ crablegs
2014 13-1
2015 10-3
2016 10-3
2017 7-6
Bear Bryant - 323 wins
Replaced by Ray Perkins, lasted 4 seasons
1983 8-4
1984 5-6
1985 9-2-1
1986 10-3
Mack Brown - 276 wins
Replaced by Charlie Strong, lasted 3 seasons
2014 6-7
2015 5-7
2016 5-7
Lavell Edwards - 257 wins
Replaced by Gary Crowton, lasted 4 seasons
2001 12-2
2002 5-7
2003 4-8
2004 5-6
Tom Osborne - 255 wins
Replaced by Frank Solich, lasted 6 seasons
1998 9-4
1999 12-1
2000 10-2
2001 11-2
2002 7-7
2003 10-3
Lou Holtz - 249 wins
Replaced by Bob Davie, lasted 5 seasons
1997 7-6
1998 9-3
1999 5-7
2000 9-3
2001 5-6
Frank Beamer - 238 wins
Replaced by Justin Fuente, lasted 5 seasons
2018 6-7
2019 8-5
2020 5-6
2021 6-7
2022 3-8
Bo Schembechler - 234 wins
Replaced by Gary Moeller, lasted 5 seasons
1990 9-3
1991 10-2
1992 9-0-3
1993 8-4
1994 8-4
Hayden Fry 232 wins
Replaced by Kirk Ferentz, 1999 - present
sustained mediocrity
1999 1-10
2000 3-9
2001 7-5
2002 11-2
2003 10-3
2004 10-2
2005 7-5
2006 6-7
2007 6-6
2008 9-4
2009 11-2
2010 8-5
2011 7-6
2012 4-8
2013 8-5
2014 7-6
2015 12-2
2016 8-5
2017 8-5
2018 9-4
2019 10-3
2020 6-2
2021 10-4
2022 8-5
2023 10-4
Steve Spurrier - 228 wins
Replaced by Ron Zook, lasted 3 seasons
2002 8-5
2003 8-5
2004 7-5
Saban - replaced by Les Miles, who lasted 12 seasons and won 1 title/played for another one
Miles seasons
2005 11-2
2006 11-2
2007 12-2 national champions
2008 8-5
2009 9-4
2010 11-2
2011 13-1 lost in BCSNCG
2012 10-3
2013 10-3
2014 8-5
2015 9-3
2016 8-4
Only 2 of these coaches who succeeded some of the winningest coaches in recent history won a title. ONE each for Jimbaw and Les Miles. Yes, Alabama post Saban is a juggernaut and the roster is extremely talented. But what is the ceiling for DeBoer? It doesn't look great based on history.
Joe Paterno - 409 wins
Replaced by Bill O'Brien, lasted 2 seasons
2012 8-4
2013 7-5
Bobby Bowden - 346 wins
Replaced by Jimbo Fisher, lasted 8 seasons, 1 natty
2010 10-4
2011 9-4
2012 12-2
2013 14-0 wins it all w/ crablegs
2014 13-1
2015 10-3
2016 10-3
2017 7-6
Bear Bryant - 323 wins
Replaced by Ray Perkins, lasted 4 seasons
1983 8-4
1984 5-6
1985 9-2-1
1986 10-3
Mack Brown - 276 wins
Replaced by Charlie Strong, lasted 3 seasons
2014 6-7
2015 5-7
2016 5-7
Lavell Edwards - 257 wins
Replaced by Gary Crowton, lasted 4 seasons
2001 12-2
2002 5-7
2003 4-8
2004 5-6
Tom Osborne - 255 wins
Replaced by Frank Solich, lasted 6 seasons
1998 9-4
1999 12-1
2000 10-2
2001 11-2
2002 7-7
2003 10-3
Lou Holtz - 249 wins
Replaced by Bob Davie, lasted 5 seasons
1997 7-6
1998 9-3
1999 5-7
2000 9-3
2001 5-6
Frank Beamer - 238 wins
Replaced by Justin Fuente, lasted 5 seasons
2018 6-7
2019 8-5
2020 5-6
2021 6-7
2022 3-8
Bo Schembechler - 234 wins
Replaced by Gary Moeller, lasted 5 seasons
1990 9-3
1991 10-2
1992 9-0-3
1993 8-4
1994 8-4
Hayden Fry 232 wins
Replaced by Kirk Ferentz, 1999 - present
sustained mediocrity
1999 1-10
2000 3-9
2001 7-5
2002 11-2
2003 10-3
2004 10-2
2005 7-5
2006 6-7
2007 6-6
2008 9-4
2009 11-2
2010 8-5
2011 7-6
2012 4-8
2013 8-5
2014 7-6
2015 12-2
2016 8-5
2017 8-5
2018 9-4
2019 10-3
2020 6-2
2021 10-4
2022 8-5
2023 10-4
Steve Spurrier - 228 wins
Replaced by Ron Zook, lasted 3 seasons
2002 8-5
2003 8-5
2004 7-5
Saban - replaced by Les Miles, who lasted 12 seasons and won 1 title/played for another one
Miles seasons
2005 11-2
2006 11-2
2007 12-2 national champions
2008 8-5
2009 9-4
2010 11-2
2011 13-1 lost in BCSNCG
2012 10-3
2013 10-3
2014 8-5
2015 9-3
2016 8-4
Only 2 of these coaches who succeeded some of the winningest coaches in recent history won a title. ONE each for Jimbaw and Les Miles. Yes, Alabama post Saban is a juggernaut and the roster is extremely talented. But what is the ceiling for DeBoer? It doesn't look great based on history.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 11:00 pm
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Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:22 pm to kbro
This is flawed at best.
For example: O’Brien “lasted” two seasons? he wasn’t fired. He got a job as a head coach in the NFL.
For example: O’Brien “lasted” two seasons? he wasn’t fired. He got a job as a head coach in the NFL.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:30 pm to LSUinMA
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For example: O’Brien “lasted” two seasons? he wasn’t fired. He got a job as a head coach in the NFL
Fair point, but he went 8-4 and 7-5 in 2 years. Was the Penn State fanbase happy with BO as Paterno's replacement?
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:37 pm to kbro
Les Miles is the GOAT at following tGOAT.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:23 pm to jrodLSUke
Akers started well at UT post Royal and Holtz was pretty good after Broyles.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:26 pm to Cleathecat
“Started well” and “pretty good” are not going to satisfy the fan base that has experienced the Saban dynasty.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:31 pm to kbro
quote:
Lavell Edwards - 257 wins
Replaced by Gary Crowton, lasted 4 seasons
2001 12-2
2002 5-7
2003 4-8
2004 5-6
I wouldn't be surprised if this is close to DeBoer's future.
Stacked with talent the first year then diminishing as he isn't able to keep it going.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:39 pm to BuckyCheese
Just like with Miles, where he won with Saban’s recruits despite below average coaching the first couple of years.
Miles was a good recruiter though, and he surrounded himself with good recruiters.
If DeBoer can do this he could keep the 9, 10 win seasons going for a few years. But if they aren’t winning the SEC and playing for titles OFTEN DeBoer will be a letdown
Miles was a good recruiter though, and he surrounded himself with good recruiters.
If DeBoer can do this he could keep the 9, 10 win seasons going for a few years. But if they aren’t winning the SEC and playing for titles OFTEN DeBoer will be a letdown
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:43 pm to kbro
Nebraska has certainly improved since firing Solich.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 9:59 pm to kbro
quote:
Hayden Fry 232 wins
Replaced by Kirk Ferentz, 1999 - present
sustained mediocrity
1999 1-10
2000 3-9
2001 7-5
2002 11-2
2003 10-3
2004 10-2
2005 7-5
2006 6-7
2007 6-6
2008 9-4
2009 11-2
2010 8-5
2011 7-6
2012 4-8
2013 8-5
2014 7-6
2015 12-2
2016 8-5
2017 8-5
2018 9-4
2019 10-3
2020 6-2
2021 10-4
2022 8-5
2023 10-4
Fry did not win 232 games at Iowa, he won 143 in 20 seasons. 143–89–6 60.0%
Ferentz has won 196 games in 25 seasons 196-119 62.2%
Any other bad takes?
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:02 pm to kbro
Dan Devine followers Ara Parseghian at Notre Dame and went 53-16-1 with a natty in '77.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:12 pm to Tigerpaul1969
quote:
Nebraska has certainly improved since firing Solich
The Big Red will be back on top with Matt Rhule! He was one of the hot up and comers class like Tom Herman, Fuente, Aranda, Taggert and the row the boat guy.
Who knows, maybe DeBoer will exceed expectations.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:12 pm to kbro
quote:
Only 2 of these coaches who succeeded some of the winningest coaches in recent history won a title. ONE each for Jimbaw and Les Miles.
Most of the retiring coaches you listed were not fielding championship level teams when they departed.
I think the five departures that are somewhat comparable to DeBoer’s situation are Bryant, Spurrier, Saban the 1st time, and Osborne.
Paterno - 25 years removed from his last NC
Edwards - 15 years removed and at program that could not expect to win one by 2000
Bowden, Holtz, Mack - Around 10 years removed
Schembechler never won one, and Fry and Beamer were at programs that shouldn’t expect national titles.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:14 pm to kbro
quote:
Was the Penn State fanbase happy with BO as Paterno's replacement?
They were fortunate to get anyone to coach after all the adolescent rape
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:24 pm to mdomingue
quote:
Fry did not win 232 games at Iowa, he won 143 in 20 seasons. 143–89–6 60.0%
No shite. None of these coach’s got all of their wins at the same school. Fry resuscitated a program that hadn’t had a winning season in over 15 years. His coaching tree includes Barry Alvarez, Bob Stoops, Bill Snyder and Ferentz.He had 14 bowl appearances and 3 trips to the rose bowl. So yes, he was considered a top flight coach at a program that was mediocre. And when Ferentz came in he maintained mediocrity, which is why he’s still there.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:32 pm to TomRollTideRitter
quote:
Most of the retiring coaches you listed were not fielding championship level teams when they departed.
NONE of the coaches I listed left shoes to fill as large as Saban’s. All of them had some level of success which made them one of the top coaches in their respective school’s history.
So their replacements were highly anticipated but mostly disappointing.
No one on this list will be held to as high a standard as DeBoer.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:41 pm to TomRollTideRitter
quote:
I think the five departures that are somewhat comparable to DeBoer’s situation are Bryant, Spurrier, Saban the 1st time, and Osborne.
I agree. Where it’s most apples to apples we got:
Perkins
Zook
Miles
Solich
1 title between the 4 of them and 2 were busts.
Bama is in arguably the BEST condition a coach could ever dream of walking into. If any program(s) could plug someone in who could simply keep the train rolling it would be Bama and UGA. But the X factor here is that DeBoer takes over in the NIL and portal era, so the playing field is changing.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:44 pm to LSUinMA
quote:
This is flawed at best. For example: O’Brien “lasted” two seasons? he wasn’t fired. He got a job as a head coach in the NFL.
Would also be useful to see the for the last two seasons under the previous coach
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:52 pm to TheRouxGuru
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Would also be useful to see the for the last two seasons under the previous coach
Certainly many of these coaches inherited programs in decline. My point is that when you follow someone who had sustained success and was viewed as a good coach, the anticipation is high and the expectations are high. With that pressure most don’t succeed. DeBoer has more pressure than anyone on that list.
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 1/15/24 at 10:53 pm to kbro
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Replaced by Ray Perkins, lasted 3 seasons 1985 9-2 1986 10-3 1987 7-5
Not to be picky, but that isn’t correct:
83 - 8-4
84 - 5-6
85 - 9-2–1
86 - 10-3
Then it was Bill Curry for 3yrs
This post was edited on 1/15/24 at 10:55 pm
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