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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:11 pm to DMagic
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:11 pm to DMagic
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It's going to tough for him to die in Essos considering he's holding Storm's End in the books
I might have mentioned that I have several hundred pages to go.
So - I'll modify - if Young Griff is Aegon, and isn't going to die abruptly in Storm's End - why hasn't he shown up in the show?
Evidence against his being a legitimate Targ heir and/or the 3rd head of the dragon are his complete absence in the show.
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:22 pm to Ace Midnight
They are consolidating characters left and right in the show. I wouldn't read too much into the fact that he's not in it
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:23 pm to Ace Midnight
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I might have mentioned that I have several hundred pages to go.
Sorry it's from Arianne's sample chapter in TWOW. I didn't mean to spoil you.
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So - I'll modify - if Young Griff is Aegon, and isn't going to die abruptly in Storm's End - why hasn't he shown up in the show?
Evidence against his being a legitimate Targ heir and/or the 3rd head of the dragon are his complete absence in the show.
Oh I agree I was just being a smartass. I hate the secret Targ theories and like others have mentioned previously it cheapens Tyrion's scene with Tywin in the bathroom.
I think that he will be the downfall of Dorne though as the Martells revolt causing another war. The war of the four queens
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:24 pm to Ace Midnight
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I might have mentioned that I have several hundred pages to go.
So - I'll modify - if Young Griff is Aegon, and isn't going to die abruptly in Storm's End - why hasn't he shown up in the show?
Evidence against his being a legitimate Targ heir and/or the 3rd head of the dragon are his complete absence in the show.
Another hint that Aegon is Blackfyre is the company of sellswords that is now in his service that broke their original contract with Myr because "Some contracts are writ in ink, and some in blood".
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:27 pm to Josh Fenderman
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I wouldn't read too much into the fact that he's not in it
As a rule - I don't. They remove Oakheart - no big deal. They combine Dornish princes - really, if they aren't going tell that part of the story - it is not a big loss. I recognize the casting budget - the relative unnecessity of Coldhands, for example (as he is not Benjen), or even LSH - to the broader plot strokes.
But, if the dragon truly has 3 heads and Young Griff(Aegon?) is going to be a player at the end, he will have to appear in the television show, wouldn't you agree?
Now, maybe he finally makes an appearance, with a slightly modified backstory explained in a little exposition by Varys to Tyrion and Dany - certainly that could be done, but I would think we would have some minor rumor about this character before.
Maybe not, but it would be weird if he is a big player in the book and completely absent in the show.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:31 pm to Bamatab
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Another hint that Aegon is Blackfyre is the company of sellswords that is now in his service that broke their original contract with Myr because "Some contracts are writ in ink, and some in blood".
Varys also has a very telling quote about how the Dragons need to be placed in power to gain peace....who cares if it's a black dragon or a red one
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:31 pm to Bamatab
Where is the sword Blackfyre is the real question in all this mess. I hope it's a pretty sweet reveal.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:34 pm to DMagic
That's what Daerons people said. Really hard to tell considering every Targaryen is the son of their brother-uncle and sister-cousin.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:37 pm to DMagic
I always thought in Littlefingers tapestries, but his arc doesn't play into that theory. My guess is Varys has it and will present it to Aegon.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:45 pm to Ace Midnight
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But, if the dragon truly has 3 heads and Young Griff(Aegon?) is going to be a player at the end, he will have to appear in the television show, wouldn't you agree?
Again, 2 different mediums. One has mentioned the three headed dragon prophecy, the other I don't recall it ever being mentioned.
The show may not have any need at all for 3 heads to a dragon.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:46 pm to wildtigercat93
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.who cares if it's a black dragon or a red one
A dragon is a dragon. It's not like Daemon was a typical bastard from a prominent father and a woman peasant his dad decided to knock up. He is the son of a king and his first cousin, Princess Daena. Bloodraven (and his two full sisters), Bittersteel, and Sheira Seastar were all different in that they weren't of the same family. Daemon wasn't a pretender in the sense he was full on royalty from both of his parents.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:49 pm to Mr. Wayne
Agreed. I think the Dornish influence in Daeron's court plus the reaction of Bittersteel and other great lords to slights lead to Daemon rebelling. I think Daemon could've been a great king in his own right considering his actions in the Battle of the Redgrass fields.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 1:07 pm to DMagic
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I think the Dornish influence in Daeron's court plus the reaction of Bittersteel and other great lords to slights lead to Daemon rebelling
I've always found it hilarious that a bunch of incestuous royalty could look down on a bastard born character. Because your parents being siblings is so much better than his banging out of wedlock.
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I think Daemon could've been a great king in his own right considering his actions in the Battle of the Redgrass fields.
Without a doubt. The only real hit on Daeron as king is that Aerys was the result of his line. But then again, Daemons led to Maelys the Monstrous so not really a good alternative. All that sister banging finally cought up to both lines
Posted on 6/30/15 at 1:16 pm to Josh Fenderman
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The show may not have any need at all for 3 heads to a dragon.
Maybe not, but it certainly seems convenient that Danys has 3 dragons.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 2:31 pm to Ace Midnight
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But, if the dragon truly has 3 heads and Young Griff(Aegon?) is going to be a player at the end, he will have to appear in the television show, wouldn't you agree?
I agree with you; the dragon must have 3 heads. In the book and on the show.
I'm not ready to give up on Aegon's importance to the story just because of the show. He could simply be planned for season 6. I don't know what Aegon's endgame is going to be; BUT I think GRRM has been hiding this the Lost Dauphin since Book 1 and he must have a role to play in the fight for the Iron Throne.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 5:50 pm to jrodLSUke
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But, if the dragon truly has 3 heads and Young Griff(Aegon?) is going to be a player at the end, he will have to appear in the television show, wouldn't you agree? I agree with you; the dragon must have 3 heads. In the book and on the show. I'm not ready to give up on Aegon's importance to the story just because of the show. He could simply be planned for season 6. I don't know what Aegon's endgame is going to be; BUT I think GRRM has been hiding this the Lost Dauphin since Book 1 and he must have a role to play in the fight for the Iron Throne.
Have they said the dragon must have 3 heads in the show? If they have I can't remember
They for sure could introduce him season 6, but would have to streamline some stuff
Maybe in the show the dragon having 3 heads doesn't need to be all Targs. Maybe they just don't hit on it either
Posted on 6/30/15 at 9:12 pm to putt23
I'm pretty sure Aegon won't be in the show, and therefore probably isn't a major player in the endgame. With only two seasons left, to randomly drop in a new Targaeryen (with a serious claim to the throne) that Hodors have never seen before would be bizarre.
He would need to have been hinted at at some point, and the show has never even tried to mention him as far as I remember.
He would need to have been hinted at at some point, and the show has never even tried to mention him as far as I remember.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 6:16 pm to FT
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I'm pretty sure Aegon won't be in the show, and therefore probably isn't a major player in the endgame. With only two seasons left, to randomly drop in a new Targaeryen (with a serious claim to the throne) that Hodors have never seen before would be bizarre. He would need to have been hinted at at some point, and the show has never even tried to mention him as far as I remember.
agreed
we'll know more when they do the new cast interviews, and put names out.
I don't think they've surprised us with anyone character wise. It's probably way too tough to have someone hidden character/actor just pop up without it having got out
Posted on 7/1/15 at 7:20 pm to FT
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I'm pretty sure Aegon won't be in the show, and therefore probably isn't a major player in the endgame. With only two seasons left, to randomly drop in a new Targaeryen (with a serious claim to the throne) that Hodors have never seen before would be bizarre.
He would need to have been hinted at at some point, and the show has never even tried to mention him as far as I remember.
I agree as well. And to be honest it's not a story-line that I miss in the show. I enjoyed it in the books but because I love Martin's writing style and I enjoyed reading about Tyrion's travels with Griff, Young Griff, Duck, Septa Lemore and crew aboard the Shy Maid. But really I never thought Young Griff would be an integral player in the end game.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:30 am to Methuselah
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