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Key West to ban most cruise ships
Posted on 11/4/20 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 11/4/20 at 1:26 pm
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Residents of the laid-back island town in the Straits of Florida on Tuesday voted to approve three referendums that will ban most cruise ships operated by major lines, such as Royal Caribbean and Carnival Cruise Line, from visiting.
One of the referendums prohibits cruise ships with more than 1,300 passengers from docking in Key West. That would affect even the smallest ships from Royal Caribbean, Carnival, Norwegian Cruise Line and Disney Cruise Line.
A second referendum limits the number of daily cruise ship visitors to 1,500.
A final referendum gives docking priority to cruise lines that have the best health and environmental records.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 2:11 pm to Jimmy2shoes
I applaud the citizens for their self-determination. Having been in Key West when 3,000+ people flood off of the big cruise ships, I can appreciate why a local would object to the lowest-common-denominator tourist experience generated by the mass cruise tourism.
If only Venice would follow suit.
If only Venice would follow suit.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 2:20 pm to hungryone
I think Venice will, but now that Coronvirus has crushed the tourism industry, they may push that back another couple of decades.
Good for KW.
But also...another Key will just build the infrastructure to accept cruise ship passengers.
Good for KW.
But also...another Key will just build the infrastructure to accept cruise ship passengers.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 2:33 pm to Jimmy2shoes
Good for them. Didn’t realize they were voting on that, but not at all surprised they voted that way.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 3:01 pm to hungryone
Yeah it definitely takes the charm out of Key West.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 3:27 pm to Jimmy2shoes
I went on a cruise ship stop there a few years ago, and I'm glad I went. As far as "things to do" I feel like one day in port was good enough. I would not be opposed to spending a few days there just relaxing, though.
This will have an economic impact, though, to their own citizens.
This will have an economic impact, though, to their own citizens.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 6:38 pm to LSUFanHouston
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This will have an economic impact, though, to their own citizens.
Probably not as great as you’d think. Cruise tourists spend just a few hours in port, and most are value conscious, limited spenders (based on the customers of the cruise lines making port stops in KW). The cheap drinks, shave ice and frozen lemonade kiosks, and schlocky souvenir stands and key lime pie on a stick vendors will move into some other niche, KW has a nice literary festival, a real small town life and feel, and enough charms
and attractions to develop other, less cattle-call-crowded economic ventures.
Posted on 11/4/20 at 8:52 pm to hungryone
Not a bad idea. We were down there on vacation and it was as if a cloud of locusts descended on the town. Totally ruined the vibe. Yeah, I know I'm being a tourist looking down on other tourists, but still...
Posted on 11/5/20 at 9:32 am to hungryone
When we were in Key West last year I was pretty surprised to get a similar sentiment from locals, they didn't really care for the cruise ships. Most seemed to think alot of them were there to hit places like Margaritaville, buy a crappy T shirt, and get back on the boat.
Posted on 11/8/20 at 2:29 am to hungryone
The port fees to the local government go all long way that will now need to be subsidized another way
Posted on 11/10/20 at 11:14 am to hungryone
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This will have an economic impact, though, to their own citizens.
It's about $90 million per year. In 2019 965k passengers visited KW for an average of about 7-8 hours per visit. The average passenger spends about $75 while in town. The city collects $10.50 per passenger dockage fee from the cruiseline. The ban passed easily.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 11:16 am to tiger626
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The port fees to the local government go all long way that will now need to be subsidized another way
The city passed the budget for next year without having to raise taxes but they will have to next year. They cut nine police officer positions and made lots of other budget cuts.
The city would collect $10.50 for every passenger on the boat. With over 950k passengers that is quite a lot of money.
Posted on 11/10/20 at 1:03 pm to Jp1LSU
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The city passed the budget for next year without having to raise taxes but they will have to next year. They cut nine police officer positions and made lots of other budget cuts.
The city would collect $10.50 for every passenger on the boat. With over 950k passengers that is quite a lot of money.
Sure, it's a lot of money. But bigger, more, is not the path that the 24/7 citizens of Key West want to pursue. If they've got to shrink services, so be it. They knew the economic impact when they voted for the changes.
All economic growth is not progress. Over-tourism destroys the charming fabric of a place that attracts people in the first place. Places like Santorini and Venice have become ridiculous caricatures of their former selves....
Posted on 11/11/20 at 10:52 am to hungryone
Over-tourism has become a problem. Part of it is the worlds middle class has grown. In 2019 over 1 billion people traveled internationally. Twenty years ago people didn’t have the resources to do such a thing. I was in Italy in 2019 and the cruise ship travel there is a problem. They put to much pressure on an already crowded place. The bus tours coming from all over were equally as bad in some places.
Still it was the part time residents of Key West who sunk the cruise ships. The people who live and work in KW, who have skin in the game were against it.
Still it was the part time residents of Key West who sunk the cruise ships. The people who live and work in KW, who have skin in the game were against it.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 10:56 am to Jp1LSU
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Still it was the part time residents of Key West who sunk the cruise ships. The people who live and work in KW, who have skin in the game were against it.
Not sure how you arrived at this conclusion: part time residents are likely NOT registered to vote in KW, and these measures were enacted by the voters.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 3:30 pm to hungryone
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Not sure how you arrived at this conclusion: part time residents are likely NOT registered to vote in KW, and these measures were enacted by the voters.
Key west is comprised of many multiple home homeowners. For property tax reasons they have to register to vote in KW to maintain a homestead exemption and other benefits of being labeled residents. Having no income tax is another incentive to label the second home as a primary home. Because many of these people aren’t in KW during election season they mail in their ballots. KW has always had a long history of mail in votes. Crazy enough, most business owners in Key West reside outside of the city where property is cheaper and it’s easier to have a yard and a boat in the backyard. Most of them couldn’t vote in this election, even though when the property taxes get raised the commercial property they own will get hit the hardest.
Posted on 11/11/20 at 4:11 pm to Jimmy2shoes
I get really envious when talking to some people who are 20-30 years older than me about traveling. A lot of the time we've been to some of the same places, but I'm guessing they had a completely different experience due to lesser amounts of buses/cruise ships/etc.
I guess I'm glad I've seen what I've seen when I did - I can't imagine it's going to improve from here.
I guess I'm glad I've seen what I've seen when I did - I can't imagine it's going to improve from here.
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