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Xbox One Windows 10 streaming *Update*

Posted on 10/9/15 at 9:48 pm
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/9/15 at 9:48 pm
I posted this on the gaming board but thought it would do well here as well.

I want to stream Xbox one to my PC using windows 10. It lags a little bit to where I can't play fluently. I need some advice to try to get it better. I have 100 Mbps down and 10Mbps up with it usually running 120 down and 12 up. I have a Nighthawk AC 1750 router and Arris sb6141 modem. I am about 10ft from the xbox and it is direct connected. Computer has an Intel duo 2.2 Ghz processor and 4 GB RAM.

If I upgrade my RAM would it be better or do I just need a new laptop?

*Update*

Used my FIL's HP Stream 13 this weekend to test out if it would work on it. It worked flawlessly with 0 lag.

All that computer has is

Intel Celeron
2GB RAM
32GB Flash storage
N Wireless

The computer wasn't direct connected either.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 8:37 am
Posted by knight_ryder
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Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 10/9/15 at 9:57 pm to
Are you streaming movies through a browser?
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/9/15 at 9:58 pm to
Streaming games. It's through the Xbox app on the PC.
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 10/9/15 at 10:12 pm to
quote:

Computer has an Intel duo 2.2 Ghz processor and 4 GB RAM.


This is more than likely your problem. CPU can't handle it.

Your internet speed has nothing to do with streaming from XBox to PC
This post was edited on 10/9/15 at 10:13 pm
Posted by DannyB
Bagram, Afghanistan
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 10/10/15 at 1:38 am to
Also go into the MS Store app and see if the XBox App needs an update. I had a notification for an update for it yesterday.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 10/10/15 at 9:06 am to
quote:

This is more than likely your problem. CPU can't handle it.


Yeah that is what I figured. What am I looking for in a new laptop to be able to do this nicely? I'm looking for on my limited knowledge of up to date hardware is gen 5-6 intel I series, 8+ GB RAM and potentially SSD.

Maybe something like this: LINK
Intel Core i5-6200U 2.3GHz Dual-Core CPU (6th Gen Skylake)
13.3" 1920x1080 FHD IPS display
128GB Solid State Drive
8GB (1x8GB) DDR3L RAM
Intel HD 520 Graphics
WiFi 802.11 b/g/n/ac
This post was edited on 10/10/15 at 9:08 am
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 10/11/15 at 4:34 pm to
Don't go shopping for new hardware just yet, unless you really want a new PC. Based on what I've read about it, streaming from Xbox is meant for any machine running Windows 10, not necessarily a well-spec'd machine.

In fact, from xbox's site (LINK ):
quote:

For best performance, we recommend that your Windows 10 PC have:
At least 2 gigabytes of RAM
1.5-GHz CPU or faster
Network connection to your home network:
Best performance: Wired Ethernet connection
Good performance: Wireless – 5-GHz 802.11 N or 802.11 AC wireless access point
Limited performance: Wireless – 2.4-GHz 802.11 N or 802.11 AC wireless access point


There's no way the PC end is handling the encoding. There are plenty of ways to monitor your PC's activity (CPU usage, RAM usage, network usage/connectivity, etc. etc.). Always, always use them in situations like this.

The requirements for streaming emphasize quality of connection in other places, too, like a discussion on setting the quality:

quote:

After your PC is connected to your Xbox One console, you can select a quality level for the video. You can change the quality of your stream before you start streaming or while you are streaming. You should set the quality to the highest level that still gives you a good gameplay experience.

In the Xbox app, click Settings and then select Game streaming.
Under Video encoding level, select a streaming quality. We recommend:
High – If both your Xbox One and your Windows 10 PC are connected with a wired Ethernet connection, or if your console and the PC are in the same room as the wireless router with minimal wireless interference.
Medium – for 5-GHz wireless networked PCs and consoles that are in different rooms within your home.
Low – for low-end PCs and tablets, as well as 2.4-GHz wireless networks.
Note You can always start with a higher setting and reduce your quality level until you reach the best performance your home network will support based on your current configuration. To try to improve your Game Streaming experience, see Improve Xbox app for Windows 10 game streaming.




LINK
quote:

Improve Xbox app for Windows 10 Game Streaming performance
By making a few adjustments to your home network, you can improve your audio and video quality when streaming games. Try the suggestions on this page to improve your game streaming performance when using the Xbox app on Windows 10.


You said the XBox was directly connected to your router (I think that's what you meant?), but you didn't specifically state whether the PC was connected via ethernet or not. If you're going wireless for either device, you have found your bottleneck. If your PC is wirelessly connected to the network, based on the old specs I imagine it's a single-antenna 802.11n adapter, perhaps not even dual band. Maybe not that bad, but you'll know better than I.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 10/11/15 at 4:48 pm to
Xbox is on ethernet. Pc is on 2.4 ghz band. It doesn't have 5 ghz capabilities. I'll try wired but I don't think it will change that much. I find it weird that others can play no problem but I can't. It seems my computer is within recommended specs and was wiped before putting 10 on it.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 10/11/15 at 5:02 pm to
quote:

I don't think it will change that much.


Maybe not, but the difference between the two, in terms of local network bandwidth, is huge.

Now, one thing to understand is that there will always be lag, but on a stable connection, it will be "consistent" lag -- a delay between your input on the controller and the response you see on the screen, rather than freezes or choppiness. Fine for single-player, but most likely not acceptable for online multiplayer.

Turn off wireless on your laptop when you plug into ethernet. Monitor the activity/usage of every component or connection that exists between the XBox and the laptop's monitor; the bottleneck will be among them, staring you in the face.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:38 am to
*Update*

Used my FIL's HP Stream 13 this weekend to test out if it would work on it. It worked flawlessly with 0 lag.

All that computer has is

Intel Celeron
2GB RAM
32GB Flash storage
N Wireless
LINK

The computer wasn't direct connected either.


I believe the Celeron is the bottom of the barrel for Intel. Is that correct?

I looked into the older computer and saw that the processor didn't have hyperthreading. Is this something that would have caused it to run with lag?
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George
Member since Aug 2004
77986 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:54 am to
quote:

I believe the Celeron is the bottom of the barrel for Intel. Is that correct?



A newer Celeron would be much faster than an old Core2Duo
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 8:55 am
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:09 am to
quote:

A newer Celeron would be much faster than an old Core2Duo


So it really is just the CPU that is the issue? So if I just got a newer i3, it would be sufficient with 4GB RAM?
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 10:40 am to
Seriously?

Even after all that I showed you?

That Celeron is barely, marginally faster than a mobile core 2 duo. Negligible. Might even be slower than the core 2 duo depending on which core 2 duo your laptop has. Celerons are crap, and the HP stream still seemed to work better. That should tell you something. It's not the CPU.

The reason the HP stream worked better is probably because it has a stronger wifi adapter/signal. It doesn't have to be 802.11AC to be stronger, btw.

Seriously, why don't you monitor some shite? It's that simple. If you upgrade, I'm sure the problem will be solved, but not for the reason you apparently think.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 10:43 am
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 10:48 am to
quote:

That Celeron is barely, marginally faster than a mobile core 2 duo. Negligible.

The reason the HP stream worked is probably because it has a stronger wifi adapter/signal.

Seriously, why don't you monitor some shite? It's that simple.


I mean what is there to monitor? The older computer had more RAM and was tested with it directly connected to the router. Wireless was not needed to test.

What am I missing?
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 10:49 am to
So If I were to get just something as simple as a wireless adapter from amazon, it would work better?
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 10:54 am to
BTW I think this is the older computer. I'm not at the house right now to look at the model number.

LINK

Intel Core 2 Duo T6600 (2.20 GHz)
4 GB Memory 500 GB HDD
Intel GMA 4500M
1366 x 768
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
DVD Super Multi
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 10:58 am to
Well... you think it's the CPU. You know that you can monitor CPU usage while attempting to stream? That's where I'd start, especially since you tested it wired to the modem already. So you can look at disk usage as well, ram usage, CPU usage, temperature, bandwidth usage, throughput, whatever.

I mean, if you want a new laptop, buy one. Ultimately, that's what the solution will be since the other one is obviously suffering somewhere. But it's just unwise not to try to understand why you're upgrading. Not every laptop out there is well balanced.

EDIT: If you do have a T6600 Core 2 Duo, your CPU is faster than that Celeron.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 11:06 am
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:00 am to
quote:

What's the model # of your core 2 duo? Guarantee the celeron is not faster to any degree worth considering.


Computer is in the previous post.

Intel T6600

Intel Celeron
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22169 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:02 am to
quote:

I mean, if you want a new laptop, buy one. Ultimately, that's what the solution will be since the other one is obviously suffering somewhere. But it's just unwise not to try to understand why you're upgrading. Not every laptop out there is well balanced.



Trust me. I don't want to buy another one. I'd rather pay 30 dollars for a wireless adapter. The older computer runs great other than this one thing.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:04 am to
Yeah, the Core 2 Duo > the Celeron. For all we know right now, it could be that the PC side needs to cache streaming data, and the HP stream's SSD is doing a better job of it than your aging hard drive. For all we know.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 11:06 am
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