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re: "Soap opera effect" with new tvs

Posted on 1/10/16 at 4:41 pm to
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 4:41 pm to
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This is what I mean by what I see.

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The look with the soap opera effect on is distracting and terrible looking to me. And on a big TV it kind of makes me nauseous after a while.


I'll have to try it on my plasma later, but on my monitor just now, the thing that got me right away was the glaring difference in color, which has got nothing to do with the soap opera effect. The smoothed motion on the right looks better to me than the left, which has much more frequent unnatural "micro-pauses" or ratcheting in the motion. However, as I said earlier, I turn off the feature on my sets due to specific artifacts that take me out the experience more so than the distracting judder resulting from being shot at the ridiculously low rate of 24 FPS.
Posted by AnonymousTiger
Franklin, TN
Member since Jan 2012
4863 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 9:15 am to
The Soap Opera Effect makes things look so real that they look fake. That's the best way I can describe it.

And you shouldn't be having an issue on your plasma. My plasma is perfect and doesn't have this issue. It stems from the LCD TVs that were not able to handle the refresh rate of movies, so manufacturers came up with this shite technology that "guesses" frames to try to trick your brain.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
78086 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 9:23 am to
I turn it on for sports. That's about it
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 10:05 am to
Do a google search with the make and model and optimal settings. There's a site where they calibrate every HDTV to the best picture settings. I've done it for all of my TV's, and they look so much better than out of the box. One I had to adjust a little because the room it is in is real bright, so you may find those settings as a base starting point.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 11:00 am to
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The Soap Opera Effect makes things look so real that they look fake. That's the best way I can describe it.


That has never made any sense to me, sorry. Part of the problem may be that like I said earlier, I've never owned a set that is highly associated with SOE. Sony's MotionFlow (at least circa 2010, the age of my sets) has always been said to be rather mild WRT SOE, but it causes strange artifacts in various material, and that's why I don't use it (it also doesn't seem to do very much). For example, I remember a scene in one of the Men in Black movies where Tommy Lee Jones's tie briefly has some weird pixelation that doesn't occur when MotionFlow is disabled, and Spears and Munsil has a test animation that goes absolutely nuts when MotionFlow is enabled.

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And you shouldn't be having an issue on your plasma. My plasma is perfect and doesn't have this issue.


I'm not sure what you're talking about. I gave an example earlier of what the motion interpolation improves on my plasma, but the reason I don't use it is because it causes occasional hitches in motion that stand out like a sore thumb compared to the more consistent 24 FPS motion judder.

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It stems from the LCD TVs that were not able to handle the refresh rate of movies, so manufacturers came up with this shite technology that "guesses" frames to try to trick your brain.


Where'd you get that from? Motion interpolation was introduced to (a) try to account for the fact that the 24 FPS cinema standard is way too low a frame rate to capture motion without horrible motion judder in panning shots and whatnot, and (b) eliminate telecine judder, though this can also be done on a 120 Hz display by using 5:5 pulldown, i.e. repeating each 24p frame 5 times, but this of course leaves the inherent motion judder intact.

These motivations apply to plasmas as well. Unfortunately, the motion smoothing doesn't work well on my Panasonic ST60 as previously described, and its 96 Hz mode introduces flicker. The consensus opinion is to turn it off and tolerate the standard 60 Hz and 3:2 pulldown, which works quite well on this set. Of course, nothing is being done to help the 24 FPS motion judder, which makes me wince a little whenever I see it.
Posted by SouljaBreauxTellEm
Mizz
Member since Aug 2009
29343 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 2:48 pm to
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I don't know why this bothers people. Does it look "too real" or something?


It's just weird and not natural.. It makes the entire viewing experience unpleasant.. It's the like the frame rates are off, and makes people moving almost look like zombies.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81631 posts
Posted on 1/11/16 at 3:02 pm to
I must not be able to see it. I have no idea what this is even about.
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