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Lollipop frustration
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:15 pm
I finally bit the bullet and upgraded to 5.2 on my HTC One M7 (Google Play Edition). My reaction after a few days: utter shitshow.
I don't understand some of the changes that have been made, but net net, it feels like they've gone against the Android philosophy and taken away modularity.
Anyone else had these problems?
Screen brightness: it's just too bright sometimes - i.e. not paying attention to the actual setting you've entered
Calendar - not synching with Exchange
Silencing the phone - no easy way to do it anymore
Keyboard - it's white now instead of black...why waste battery like this?
Gmail app - forces you to run ALL email accounts through Gmail..stupid and why?
Screen lock alerts - forces you to have all or none
Extra swipe motion...just to get to unlock screen
etc. etc.
My strategy now is to wait for the new Nexus 5 from LG which will have M and hope that it doesn't suck. There are no other options that don't come with carrier bloatware and I'm not a rooting kind of guy.
OR
Make the dreaded switch to iPhone. I feel like with the 6, they at least have a real sized screen now and they also let you use swype...those were 2 big no nos in the past.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Is M going to be good?
I don't understand some of the changes that have been made, but net net, it feels like they've gone against the Android philosophy and taken away modularity.
Anyone else had these problems?
Screen brightness: it's just too bright sometimes - i.e. not paying attention to the actual setting you've entered
Calendar - not synching with Exchange
Silencing the phone - no easy way to do it anymore
Keyboard - it's white now instead of black...why waste battery like this?
Gmail app - forces you to run ALL email accounts through Gmail..stupid and why?
Screen lock alerts - forces you to have all or none
Extra swipe motion...just to get to unlock screen
etc. etc.
My strategy now is to wait for the new Nexus 5 from LG which will have M and hope that it doesn't suck. There are no other options that don't come with carrier bloatware and I'm not a rooting kind of guy.
OR
Make the dreaded switch to iPhone. I feel like with the 6, they at least have a real sized screen now and they also let you use swype...those were 2 big no nos in the past.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Is M going to be good?
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Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:52 pm to Big Scrub TX
I feel like you need to give it some time and go through some settings.
I don't have a HTC anymore but you can set brightness a number of different ways, look in to ambient display for notifications, you can change the keyboard to dark, double tap to wake etc.
All of this should help for what you described unless HTC butchered them in that case idk.
I don't have a HTC anymore but you can set brightness a number of different ways, look in to ambient display for notifications, you can change the keyboard to dark, double tap to wake etc.
All of this should help for what you described unless HTC butchered them in that case idk.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 12:59 pm to tgrgrd00
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I feel like you need to give it some time and go through some settings.
I don't have a HTC anymore but you can set brightness a number of different ways, look in to ambient display for notifications, you can change the keyboard to dark, double tap to wake etc.
All of this should help for what you described unless HTC butchered them in that case idk.
I think it's been butchered. The settings menus aren't very deep and I've played around with them a lot.
But what I'm talking about with the screen brightness is just clearly a bug. It's actually one positive that they've put a brightness drag setting in the pulldown menu so it's easy to get to. So, I set that. And then 5 minutes later you turn the screen on and it's just blaringly bright. I have auto-brightness based on the room turned OFF.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 8:28 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:I wanted to help, but then I read this and realized there is no hope for you.
Keyboard - it's white now instead of black...why waste battery like this?
M7 = LCD
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:21 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Silencing the phone - no easy way to do it anymore
My first experience with Android was on Lollipop, so I have no reference for what the volume settings were like before that, but I've heard many people complain about the volume button functionality with Lollipop. Android phones should really have a hard button/switch for mute/vibrate like the iPhone.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 7:31 am to ILikeLSUToo
Upgraded a couple weeks ago and the battery drain is miserable. It drains ridiculously fast if you use the phone at all. LG G3 btw.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 7:33 am to Big Scrub TX
I've been on lollipop since it came out. I've had very little problems personally. I may be able to address some of yours though.
Silence the phone. Tap volume rocker, tap the speaker icon. Repeat to reverse.
I believe you can change the keyboard color. I use SwiftKey so I'm not certain but either way there are other keyboard options.
I like the fact that you no longer have to have 2 email apps to get all your emails. Combining into one is much simpler. If you must have separate email apps, again, find another email app and split them up.
I believe the lock screen notifications are customizable to, though I've never really bothered to tweak mine much.
As for unlock, I believe the idea is for easy access to the camera and dialer. I also don't find swiping up to be particularly cumbersome, though I had a friend who was quite peeved right when he got the update. Don't know if his mind has changed.
I've had no problem syncing my work exchange or with screen brightness so I can't comment there. FWIW I'm on a nexus 5.
I would recommend searching for your particular issues on your phone and see if you come up with any results. Also, I believe you'll likely become accustomed to the new OS if you give it a bit of time. I find it to be a very nice improvement over previous OS versions.
Silence the phone. Tap volume rocker, tap the speaker icon. Repeat to reverse.
I believe you can change the keyboard color. I use SwiftKey so I'm not certain but either way there are other keyboard options.
I like the fact that you no longer have to have 2 email apps to get all your emails. Combining into one is much simpler. If you must have separate email apps, again, find another email app and split them up.
I believe the lock screen notifications are customizable to, though I've never really bothered to tweak mine much.
As for unlock, I believe the idea is for easy access to the camera and dialer. I also don't find swiping up to be particularly cumbersome, though I had a friend who was quite peeved right when he got the update. Don't know if his mind has changed.
I've had no problem syncing my work exchange or with screen brightness so I can't comment there. FWIW I'm on a nexus 5.
I would recommend searching for your particular issues on your phone and see if you come up with any results. Also, I believe you'll likely become accustomed to the new OS if you give it a bit of time. I find it to be a very nice improvement over previous OS versions.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:45 am to LSshoe
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I believe you can change the keyboard color. I use SwiftKey so I'm not certain but either way there are other keyboard options.
I don't believe the stock keyboard's color can be changed...and I hate having to be forced to use a 3rd party app just to gain simple "functionality" like that.
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I like the fact that you no longer have to have 2 email apps to get all your emails. Combining into one is much simpler. If you must have separate email apps, again, find another email app and split them up.
How is it simpler? I'll give you one easy way it's much worse: the alert envelope is the same shape for both gmail and, say, exchange mail at work. Hey...you've got...EMAIL! So you can't just glance down at the alert bar and quickly and easily see what sort of email you have. I just don't understand ram-rodding through such a silly change. But in any event, why isn't it 100% modular? Why not simply give the user the OPTION to combine them if that's what they like?
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I believe the lock screen notifications are customizable to, though I've never really bothered to tweak mine much.
They are somewhat, but still worse.
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FWIW I'm on a nexus 5.
What are the speakers like on that?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:47 am to jeff5891
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I wanted to help, but then I read this and realized there is no hope for you.
M7 = LCD
Fine. It's still a bug.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:49 am to Big Scrub TX
seems like a growing trend with every new letter update, to be honest. i love my android phones, but this is becoming bothersome. when the lollipop update was pushed through to my S4, severe frustrations happened. the phone essentially turned into a brick of buggy software and super slow apps. it's gotten better since the upgrade, so give it some time.
again, i love the android phones and OS, but it's a legit point of frustration for me that these phones practically turn into shite after an update.
again, i love the android phones and OS, but it's a legit point of frustration for me that these phones practically turn into shite after an update.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:37 am to The Egg
I also have an S4 and the update has sucked tremendously for my phone as well. It's amazing how long the update been out without any fix. I also like the android phones over Iphone but these types of things is what may push me back to Apple.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:39 am to LSU1018
I got the Google Play edition in part so I could get timely updates on a device optimized for them. Hasn't really been the case.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 11:20 am to Big Scrub TX
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How is it simpler? I'll give you one easy way it's much worse: the alert envelope is the same shape for both gmail and, say, exchange mail at work. Hey...you've got...EMAIL! So you can't just glance down at the alert bar and quickly and easily see what sort of email you have.
I set my exchange email for work to have a different notification sound.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 11:53 am to Big Scrub TX
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upgraded to 5.2
You sure about that?
quote:
Calendar - not synching with Exchange
Should sync fine. Not sure why you are having a problem.
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Keyboard - it's white now instead of black...why waste battery like this?
This is hardly a battery waster. Use Swiftkey. It's a WAY better keyboard.
quote:
Gmail app - forces you to run ALL email accounts through Gmail..stupid and why?
It doesn't force you to do anything. You can use whatever email app you want.
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Extra swipe motion...just to get to unlock screen
I'm not sure what you mean here.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:44 pm to Big Scrub TX
I've got a stock Nexis 6 on Lollipop.
I don't have this problem.
This either. Works very well with my work exchange email.
Hold down the volume button. It doesn't mute videos and such so you do have to keep that in mind before playing porn in the office.
Others have answered that for you.. I don't have this problem.
It's just an app, your accounts don't run through Google. It's a consolidation point for all of your email... I like it.
This is slightly frustrating for me as well
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Screen brightness: it's just too bright sometimes - i.e. not paying attention to the actual setting you've entered
I don't have this problem.
quote:
Calendar - not synching with Exchange
This either. Works very well with my work exchange email.
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Silencing the phone - no easy way to do it anymore
Hold down the volume button. It doesn't mute videos and such so you do have to keep that in mind before playing porn in the office.
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Keyboard - it's white now instead of black...why waste battery like this?
Others have answered that for you.. I don't have this problem.
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Gmail app - forces you to run ALL email accounts through Gmail..stupid and why?
It's just an app, your accounts don't run through Google. It's a consolidation point for all of your email... I like it.
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Screen lock alerts - forces you to have all or none
This is slightly frustrating for me as well
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:03 pm to Hulkklogan
Seems like a lot of non-Nexus 6 owners are having issues with Lollipop. Kind of makes me afraid to ever try another phone outside of the nexus line.
I hate this a lot. On stock L, you either have to go into settings and check your media volume, or load the media and wait for it to give media control to the volume rocker after it's already blaring at full volume or a video is playing on silent.
Pretty early on in November/December, it became a requirement that any custom ROM I use gives me the ability to make the volume rocker control media volume at all times. I don't need to control ringer/notification volume dynamically. Just on or off, which is taken care of by putting silent/vibrate mode in the navigation ring.
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Hold down the volume button. It doesn't mute videos and such so you do have to keep that in mind before playing porn in the office.
I hate this a lot. On stock L, you either have to go into settings and check your media volume, or load the media and wait for it to give media control to the volume rocker after it's already blaring at full volume or a video is playing on silent.
Pretty early on in November/December, it became a requirement that any custom ROM I use gives me the ability to make the volume rocker control media volume at all times. I don't need to control ringer/notification volume dynamically. Just on or off, which is taken care of by putting silent/vibrate mode in the navigation ring.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:59 pm to wilceaux
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upgraded to 5.2
You sure about that?
No. I meant the 2nd iteration of Lollipop.
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Should sync fine. Not sure why you are having a problem.
Thanks. That's why I'm asking.
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This is hardly a battery waster. Use Swiftkey. It's a WAY better keyboard.
Why eliminate customization from the native app. Why force me into something 3rd party?
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It doesn't force you to do anything. You can use whatever email app you want.
Sorry. They've effectively eliminated the native exchange app by burying it inside of gmail. Again, why am I forced to have a 3rd party app for something so fundamental?
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I'm not sure what you mean here.
When you press the power button, instead of bringing up the unlock grid, you have to make an additional swipe just to bring up the grid. It's stupid.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:04 pm to Hulkklogan
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Hold down the volume button. It doesn't mute videos and such so you do have to keep that in mind before playing porn in the office.
The old way was a very simple global silencer.
quote:
It's just an app, your accounts don't run through Google. It's a consolidation point for all of your email... I like it.
Yeah, they've effectively eliminated the native email app.
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This is slightly frustrating for me as well
It also has some bizarre non-secure features. Like, evidently, some of the lock-screen alerts can be swiped and dismissed right from the lock screen. That doesn't seem very secure.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:I think the point is to eliminate complexity and smooth over the whole experience. This leads to fewer bugs, which is good for everyone, and those who want the customization and/or complexity can still get it.
Why eliminate customization from the native app. Why force me into something 3rd party?
quote:Similar to the last point, it's easier (read: better) to maintain one codebase for email rather than two. And why do you keep insisting that you're being forced to do something? What's wrong with 3rd party solutions? Should the phone come with 100,000 apps pre-installed?
Sorry. They've effectively eliminated the native exchange app by burying it inside of gmail. Again, why am I forced to have a 3rd party app for something so fundamental?
quote:I think they did this because they added notifications to the lock screen. Where would the grid go on a screen full of notifications? Also, it's possible that your screen could activate in your pocket, and accidental inputs could lock you out. The extra swipe prevents this.
When you press the power button, instead of bringing up the unlock grid, you have to make an additional swipe just to bring up the grid. It's stupid.
I agree that the extra swipe is a pain, but you can get around it for the most part by using the Smart Lock Trusted Face. This way if it sees your face, the first swipe is sufficient. You won't have to input your PIN.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 5:07 pm to Korkstand
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I think the point is to eliminate complexity and smooth over the whole experience.
It's the opposite, IMO.
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And why do you keep insisting that you're being forced to do something?
Native functionality for exchange is about as basic as you can get in terms of expectation. For 6 years my native exchange has worked virtually impeccably. I'm struggling to see what the upside is to taking that away from me.
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What's wrong with 3rd party solutions? Should the phone come with 100,000 apps pre-installed?
Why even have a native dialer? Why not be forced to get a 3rd party telephone app? Again, the very basic functions: gmail, exchange, phone, text, etc. shouldn't create complexity.
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I think they did this because they added notifications to the lock screen.
You mean they forced me to have notifications taking up all that real estate? Because the only other option is to have none...as opposed to Kit Kat and everything preceding which simply added a tiny notification icon to the task bar. But NOW, my choices are: have no lock screen notifications WHATSOEVER, or have big real estate hogs which evidently then require me to have an extra swipe just to get to my unlock screen.
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Where would the grid go on a screen full of notifications?
Good question. Why force me to have a screen full of notifications?
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Also, it's possible that your screen could activate in your pocket, and accidental inputs could lock you out.
I would say that's close to impossible, at least on my phone. I literally have never accidentally activated the screen. (I would argue that that's due to the superior design of that button on the M7).
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I agree that the extra swipe is a pain, but you can get around it for the most part by using the Smart Lock Trusted Face. This way if it sees your face, the first swipe is sufficient. You won't have to input your PIN.
I don't like to use any face or fingerprint recognition utilities.
And I'll tell you another stupid thing they've done: the "other apps open/recently used apps" screen has been ruined. They've switched it from tiles to more of an animated scroll...but that's not the really bad part. The really bad part is they now have sub-divided it intra-app. So one single app might show 3 different things you've recently done. If you open it after half a day's use, there will literally be 30+ things gumming it up. Just makes no sense.
And here's another one I just noticed last night: if someone texts me a picture and I maximize it for viewing, it seems to automatically put it inside some sort of print preview screen, whose bells and whistles take up about 25% of the screen real estate. AND when you try to back out of it, it takes 2-3 seconds. Has anyone else seen this one?
Bottom line, 5.1 is an abortion.
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