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IT network bidding terminology
Posted on 1/19/16 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 1/19/16 at 4:47 pm
Help settle a dispute.
During the bid process and review of the specification, the general network stated "total network connections at start up: 22" would you infer 11ea 1" conduits & 22 cables OR 22ea conduits & 44 cables?
No drawings.
During the bid process and review of the specification, the general network stated "total network connections at start up: 22" would you infer 11ea 1" conduits & 22 cables OR 22ea conduits & 44 cables?
No drawings.
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Posted on 1/19/16 at 5:09 pm to Trauma14
Are you bidding on work? If so, I wouldn't infer anything from the customer's specifications. I would get total clarification from the customer.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 5:43 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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I wouldn't infer anything from the customer's specifications. I would get total clarification from the customer.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 7:34 pm to Trauma14
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total network connections at start up: 22
It states specifically 22 total network connections, not 44. That's just my take, but like others have said - If you're bidding, leave nothing to chance.
Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:13 pm to SG_Geaux
I'm a GC. We have the job. This IT scope isn't under contract, but we provided a budget with the understanding that when drawings were finalized we would get bids. Now that drawings are out we noticed the pricing is much higher than the budget we gave. This example of ambiguity in the original spec is the cause. I was just wandering how others would interpret this particular language.
I''m just looking for your interpretations only.
I''m just looking for your interpretations only.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:37 pm to Trauma14
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During the bid process and review of the specification, the general network stated "total network connections at start up: 22" would you infer 11ea 1" conduits & 22 cables OR 22ea conduits & 44 cables?
When I got contractors to run drops into our offices, we didn't have to bid it out but when I put out a request for quotes I specified x number of network connections and also specified that these were drops into offices and cubicles from different closet switches. If I had to guess I'd guess that's what you're looking at.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 7:54 am to Trauma14
That's what RFI's are for. Ask the question.
Either you haven't been bidding work long or you won't be in business long if you don't know this. Maybe both.
I've been in network cabling for 16 years and have never read a spec that laid it out like that. I would ask the question.
Either you haven't been bidding work long or you won't be in business long if you don't know this. Maybe both.
I've been in network cabling for 16 years and have never read a spec that laid it out like that. I would ask the question.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 7:57 am
Posted on 1/20/16 at 3:17 pm to shawnlsu
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That's what RFI's are for. Ask the question.
Either you haven't been bidding work long or you won't be in business long if you don't know this. Maybe both.
I've been in network cabling for 16 years and have never read a spec that laid it out like that. I would ask the question.
in texas, some bids basically put a gag order between you and the biddee till the RFP is done.
a lot of that is e-rate/fcc stuff though. We've had a customer for 8 years of multiple products that did a bid recently and he wouldn't take our calls for the entire bid process. but most likely you can send over an RFI.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 1/20/16 at 3:44 pm to 3nOut
You can't call in an RFI especially on projects that have federal money (e-rate) ties to them. It has to be sent electronically so the question and answer can be shared with all bidders
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:01 pm to 3nOut
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We've had a customer for 8 years of multiple products that did a bid recently and he wouldn't take our calls for the entire bid process
Common, particularly for incumbent contractors recompeting. Don't want a perceived COI even though it clearly exists by nature.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 4:14 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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Common, particularly for incumbent contractors recompeting. Don't want a perceived COI even though it clearly exists by nature.
yeah, it was strange. we're not a big enough company to do a lot of erate bids, especially on wiring. this was a 200 switch bid and we're primarily a security company, so we were a bit tepid going in. won it against cisco, hp and juniper though.
this year they're funding firewalls as a priority 2 i think, so we'll probably get more into it.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 1/20/16 at 8:24 pm to 3nOut
So only one single attempt to answer my question. All this business advise is pretty damn funny though.
HOW would you interpret this spec language? It's just a sample of a poorly written spec.
FYI, the total technology package for this project is a measly $250,000 on a total contract worth over 120 million. This isn't an office.
HOW would you interpret this spec language? It's just a sample of a poorly written spec.
FYI, the total technology package for this project is a measly $250,000 on a total contract worth over 120 million. This isn't an office.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:48 pm to 3nOut
Are there no plans and drawings for the build? The drops should be clearly specified on those with cable type requirements.
To answer your question. 22 specific drops to me is generally 44 cables. One phone and one data to each location but I'm operating blind here. However if they're network only drops then 22 cables.
Reply should be to OP.
To answer your question. 22 specific drops to me is generally 44 cables. One phone and one data to each location but I'm operating blind here. However if they're network only drops then 22 cables.
Reply should be to OP.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:11 pm to Trauma14
I think there were plenty of answers. You need to contact them in the legal means you have to clarify the question.
But I agree with the buckeye. Most likely 2x22=44. I'd bet this place is voip if it's that kinda money.
But I agree with the buckeye. Most likely 2x22=44. I'd bet this place is voip if it's that kinda money.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:52 pm to Trauma14
I'd run 44 cables and give the bid writer a kick in the dick.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 3:25 pm to Trauma14
22 network ports. That would be enough cable and switches to hook up the network. If you are confused, get clarification from the RFP issuer, do not guess.
Posted on 1/21/16 at 3:40 pm to Trauma14
22 network connections is 22 network drops, period. I don't see how you could infer 44 from that at all.
The only thing there would be 44 of is 44 terminations. One on each end of the run. Generally one on a wall plate and the other in the patch panel in the telco closet, MDF or IDF.
The only thing there would be 44 of is 44 terminations. One on each end of the run. Generally one on a wall plate and the other in the patch panel in the telco closet, MDF or IDF.
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