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re: IRS emails - is it accurate that they could all be lost and not recoverable?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:56 pm to gmrkr5
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:56 pm to gmrkr5
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who are they buying hard drives from, Nabisco???
Well they do have 90,000 computers. So that's like 2%
This post was edited on 6/25/14 at 1:57 pm
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:58 pm to gmrkr5
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and yes i do realize what an electron microscope is and what it can do. you still arent recovering data from a magnetic drive if i overwrite it with 100 passes of hex
True, but that isn't what happened to her hard drive.
Her drive "crashed" and instead of sending it to DriveSavers and getting the data back for $2,000 they tossed it right in a shredder.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:58 pm to SG_Geaux
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Well they do have 90,000 computers. So that's like 2%
good point
Posted on 6/25/14 at 1:59 pm to SG_Geaux
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True, but that isn't what happened to her hard drive.
Her drive "crashed" and instead of sending it to DriveSavers and getting the data back for $2,000 they tossed it right in a shredder.
oh i know... was just answering a previous post
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:01 pm to gmrkr5
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So that's like 2%
convenient that the 2% are all the ones subpoenaed by congress.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:03 pm to CAD703X
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convenient that the 2% are all the ones subpoenaed by congress.
nothing to see here;)
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:38 pm to SG_Geaux
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and instead of sending it to DriveSavers and getting the data back for $2,000 they tossed it right in a shredder.
They sent it to their forensics group, who also couldn't get anything from it, before shredding it.
I would dearly love to know what their assessment was of why the drive crashed.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:40 pm to Bard
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They sent it to their forensics group, who also couldn't get anything from it, before shredding it.
yea i trust "their forensic group" just as much as i trust them.
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:49 pm to gmrkr5
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yea i trust "their forensic group" just as much as i trust them.
same here. how easy is it for your own internal 'forensic group' to make it so the data is unrecoverable?
how would anyone even know?
Posted on 6/25/14 at 2:54 pm to CAD703X
Exactly... If anyone was ordered to scrub the data that's exactly who would have received that order, not some flunky exchange admin
Posted on 6/26/14 at 1:36 am to Willie Stroker
Wow, kudos to all the posters here (and especially Bard). This thread is so much better than the bs on the politics board.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:55 am to jdd48
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I must have missed the fact that the administration is claiming 6 (!!!!) other hard drives crashed in the same time frame. Given that info, their scenario is absolutely impossible. You'd have a better chance at winning the lottery and getting struck by lightning in the same day than that happening.
to answer as a former exchange administrator for a state gov agency their answer is entirely unacceptable.
- I had my email server DB that contained the email.
- I had the DB logs backed up on an extra hard drive on my exchange DB server
- I had both backed up with actual backup software going to a SAN
- Each of these was a VM. I had daily snapshots of each DB and Log drive.
- I had an email archive system that made the emails indexable and searchable (this was for forensics so i could pull up emails for HR and subpoenas)
- the archive system DB was backed up to a SAN
- the archive system was a VM and i took a daily snapshot of the DB
- a local cached copy was on their local HD.
So that literally requires 8 HDs to fail simultaneously for 1 users email to not be retrievable. AND not have one single back up.
Case in Point. One weekend I did updates on my domain controllers and exchange servers. My OS HD filled up on my exchange DB server (not CAS if you're familiar.) It crashed. I chose to rebuild the C:, but accidentally chose two of the DB drives. Immediately wiped and lost historical email of 2k employees out of 4k.
I literally did not bat an eye. I was frustrated, but absolutely knew i could get it back up. 8 hours of restoring drives and 4 hours of remounting databases later and everybody had every single email back.
This post was edited on 6/26/14 at 9:58 am
Posted on 6/26/14 at 9:59 am to CAD703X
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convenient that the 2% are all the ones subpoenaed by congress.
NOT A frickING SMIDGEN !!!!
Posted on 6/26/14 at 10:05 am to 3nOut
What's funny - the IRS is claiming they did not have the budget necessary for a better backup system - an estimated cost of anywhere from $10-$30 million. BUT they handed out $100 million in employee bonuses last year.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 10:09 am to jdd48
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What's funny - the IRS is claiming they did not have the budget necessary for a better backup system - an estimated cost of anywhere from $10-$30 million.
Absurd
Posted on 6/26/14 at 10:17 am to 3nOut
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to answer as a former exchange administrator for a state gov agency their answer is entirely unacceptable.
from the horses mouth
Posted on 6/26/14 at 10:18 am to jdd48
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the IRS is claiming they did not have the budget necessary for a better backup system - an estimated cost of anywhere from $10-$30 million. BUT they handed out $100 million in employee bonuses last year.
You forgot about it probably costing them $20 million in printing costs to do the print and file method.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 11:03 am to 3nOut
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3nOut
Posted on 7/21/14 at 2:09 pm to CAD703X
more computers crashing! MORE MORE MORE!
its a witch hunt i tell you
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IRS Deputy Associate Chief Counsel Thomas Kane said in transcribed congressional testimony that more IRS officials experienced computer crashes, bringing the total number of crash victims to “less than 20,” and also said that the agency does not know if the lost emails are still backed up somewhere.
The new round of computer crash victims includes David Fish, who routinely corresponded with Lois Lerner, as well as Lerner subordinate Andy Megosh, Lerner’s technical adviser Justin Lowe, and Cincinnati-based agent Kimberly Kitchens
its a witch hunt i tell you
This post was edited on 7/21/14 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 7/21/14 at 2:54 pm to SG_Geaux
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You forgot about it probably costing them $20 million in printing costs to do the print and file method.
It's pretty simple for why they want to do the print and file method. It removes the responsibility (and liability) from management to maintain the retention policy and passes the blame on to individuals. 
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