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Google and Walmart Partner With Eye on Amazon

Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:21 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28703 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:21 pm
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I'm sure these two giants have thought about this long and hard and have a solid gameplan, but to me it seems like they just don't get it.

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The two companies said the partnership was less about how online shopping is done today, but where it is going in the future.
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“We are trying to help customers shop in ways that they may have never imagined,”


Do they really think that Amazon is winning because they dreamed up new ways to shop? No. It's all about customer service, that thing that neither Google nor Walmart have historically been very good at.

Automatic orders and voice ordering and all that shite is neat and nice, but in the end it doesn't matter if it doesn't come along with great customer service. It's a concept as old as time, why is it so hard?
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18664 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:28 pm to
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It's all about customer service


I shop on Amazon because the prices are generally cheaper, and they offer low-cost two-day shipping. It's kind of like Sam's/Costco but with products straight to your door in no time.
Posted by SG_Geaux
1 Post
Member since Aug 2004
77929 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:34 pm to
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It's all about customer service


I have had to deal with Amazon Customer service twice ever and it was great, but that is not why I use Amazon.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:57 pm to
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It's all about customer service, that thing that neither Google nor Walmart have historically been very good at.



While I think the part about them not being good at it is true, I don't think that's the key to Amazon's success. It's convenience and ecosystem lock in. I used to shop from many more vendors before I became a Prime member. Amazon has become most people's first stop when they need to buy something online. Unless they don't have a specific product or the price seems way out of line, I don't even shop around anymore.

Will voice shopping present a potential for disruption to Prime's stranglehold on so many shoppers? I don't think so because humans are as bad at accepting sunk costs as they are at remembering to stop infrequent recurring payments like Prime. On top of that most people currently shop at Amazon and Walmart very differently. I often only buy one or 2 things at a time from Amazon, I rarely do that with Walmart. I can't imagine saying "Ok Google, order qtips from walmart."

I might say "Ok Google, buy my shopping list from walmart" but even then I'd worry about the specificity of my shopping list. I think most people are like me and put generic things on their list but have very specific things in mind. My list knows I want "bread crumbs", but whether I want plain or Italian, Progresso or store brand, and what size is only something I know.

I know this says they're aiming at the future but I think Amazon has a better chance of luring me over to them for stuff I buy from Walmart than Walmart has at stealing me away from Amazon. Especially once we see the end result of the Amazon Whole Foods acquisition.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28703 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:32 pm to
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I shop on Amazon because the prices are generally cheaper, and they offer low-cost two-day shipping. It's kind of like Sam's/Costco but with products straight to your door in no time.
OK, there are a multitude of reasons people shop at Amazon.

But IMO their customer service is the foundation of all of it.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28703 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:33 pm to
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I have had to deal with Amazon Customer service twice ever and it was great, but that is not why I use Amazon.
But do you still use Amazon because the times you had to deal with their customer service, it went well?
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:50 pm to
Why would Goolge partner with Trashmart? Should have partnered with Ebay
This post was edited on 8/23/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28703 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 3:01 pm to
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While I think the part about them not being good at it is true, I don't think that's the key to Amazon's success. It's convenience and ecosystem lock in.
IMO the customer service aspect is a huge component of the total convenience of buying from a particular company. And I wouldn't call it "lock in". It's not like it's a huge chore or even impossible to buy things elsewhere. The products are generally all the same, and the prices are usually similar.



Assuming the product offerings are the same, there are only a few differentiators between online retailers: price, speed/reliability of delivery, shopping experience/convenience, and customer service.. right?

Anybody can price-match, and it seems easy for anyone to match 2-day delivery, too. They are all working on same-day delivery and order pick-up, so we'll see what happens there. Google/Walmart seem to be focusing on the shopping experience, making it easier to buy stuff. My argument is that none of that stuff matters if you don't get customer service right. As a customer, you might only need it for less than 1% of orders, but when you do, it has a big impact (at least for me it does). Walmart can send me exactly what I want, exactly when I want it, cheaper than Amazon... but it either has to be perfect 100% of the time, or when something goes wrong they have to make it right without a huge inconvenience to myself. Otherwise, I will buy from the place I know I can get that guarantee.


A while back I rented a video on Amazon, and it played flawlessly as far as I could tell. Their systems detected that there may have been an issue with the stream, and they refunded me the full rental price. I didn't notice anything or complain at all, they just gave my money back. I just can't imagine Walmart doing that, and that's exactly why I stick with Amazon for nearly everything.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 3:37 pm to
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Assuming the product offerings are the same, there are only a few differentiators between online retailers: price, speed/reliability of delivery, shopping experience/convenience, and customer service.. right?


You're forgetting consumer inertia.

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Overall, approximately 60 percent of households in the U.S. have Amazon Prime memberships — and that’s growing across demographics.

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That's not just brand loyalty because you pay for Prime. That's a sunk cost where people feel they are losing something significant if they shop elsewhere. I'm not saying Walmart is in trouble, but I hope they like being #2.
This post was edited on 8/23/17 at 4:22 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79117 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 4:17 pm to
It's not that I use Amazon for their customer service and shopping experience

Rather, I use Amazon almost exclusively because of Wal-Mart's customer service and shopping experience
Posted by TigerRob20
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2008
3732 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 4:50 pm to
I would probably use an alexa type scanner for pickup via Walmart grocery.

Walmart Grocery is a game changer. Just waiting for them to offer delivery for $5 like Waitr
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3789 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 6:25 pm to
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My argument is that none of that stuff matters if you don't get customer service right. As a customer, you might only need it for less than 1% of orders, but when you do, it has a big impact (at least for me it does).


How much more are you willing to pay for this customer service? Especially when you only use it 1% of the time in an online shopping experience.

I understand your point, but in shopping, price and convenience/experience trump customer service. Customer service can certainly make a difference, but only when it contributes to the overall experience. Going into Walmart vs shopping on Walmart online are two entirely different things, and have nothing to do with customer service.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18644 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 6:41 pm to
Amazon's customer service is excellent but I really don't think that's the sole reason people shop there. How many people really interact with Amazon's customer service, anyway?

I think people shop at Amazon because Amazon has just made it so easy to do so.
- They sell pretty much everything
- They often have the cheapest prices
- Shipping is pretty much always free unless you are non-Prime and spending under $25
- Returns are simple, customer service is great
- 1-Click, subscriptions, and voice ordering have made placing orders super simple



Ordering online can be harder for regular people than you think... My mom purchases tons of shite from Amazon herself, but the second she wants to buy something elsewhere online she calls me up for help.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 8:12 pm to
You can shop on Amazon drunk in your pajamas.

As evidenced by the clientele, you can do this at WalMart too.

The difference is that with Amazon, nobody has to know.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96003 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 7:20 am to
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Do they really think that Amazon is winning because they dreamed up new ways to shop? No. It's all about customer service, that thing that neither Google nor Walmart have historically been very good at.


Amazon's customer service (and it is good) is probably the last reason i shop at Amazon over Wal-Mart.com.
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
4448 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:16 am to
I had never even heard of Google Express prior to this article. I searched for a few of the things I ordered recently from Amazon to compare, and their selection is terrible. Although they did offer free delivery....within 15 days.
Posted by CoolHand
Member since Dec 2011
2083 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:23 am to
Some of y'all are missing the point. The fact that you rarely have to use the customer service is a testament to their customer service. A main reason that I buy so much from Amazon is trust that they will get it right almost always and if they don't, it will be quickly resolved. Customer service may not be forefront in your experience because when it's good you don't notice. When it's bad, it's the main thing you notice.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:37 am to
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The fact that you rarely have to use the customer service is a testament to their customer service.


But you're kind of comparing apples to oranges. Whenever I've used Walmart's customer service in store I've always gotten what I expected out of the interaction just like with Amazon. The main negatives I have about Walmart are waiting in checkout lines, which is something nearly all brick and mortar stores are subject too, and because Walmart is so popular I often find having to navigate aisles congested with people annoying.

I've only used Walmart online once or twice and it worked just fine. I really don't think Walmart's customer service is nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. That Walmart mocking website is called PeopleOfWalmart, not EmployeesOfWalmart.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30543 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 1:02 pm to
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I really don't think Walmart's customer service is nearly as bad as people are making it out to be.

Try getting help at the auto parts department. Or go to another store and compare the amount of out of stock items. Or go to the self-checkout and notice how a line will build up, but the worker won't get off their phone to direct traffic or put new bags at the registers

There are lots of little issues with Walmart service that end up combining to make it a much worse experience than most other stores

Edit: I've never used Walmart Online or it's customer service, but I imagine it would be similar to my Walmart experience, where there's 100 registers, and only 2 of them are open, so you have 20 people in each line
This post was edited on 8/25/17 at 1:06 pm
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