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Building new gaming PC ~ Help needed!

Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:24 am
Posted by Jonathann3891
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2012
170 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:24 am
Whats up everyone!

I'm in the process of picking the components for my new gaming pc build.

This is my first build from scratch and I'm having a hell of a time choosing some components, esp a motherboard.

This is what I'm thinking so far. Please give me input on any of it.

Case: corsair graphite 780t (white)
MOBO: Asus ROG Maximus VIII Hero
CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 8M Skylake Quad-Core 4.0 GHz LGA 1151
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 960
Cooling: Liquid Cooled?
PSU: Corsair CX750m
SSD: 500gb?
HHD: 1tb?
RAM: ??

Anything with "?" means I haven't chosen anything yet.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 9:09 am
Posted by RecordSetter
Member since Mar 2016
330 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:52 am to
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Liquid Cooled?


Why

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SSD: 500gb?


Should be fine to run the programs/apps from here

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HHD: 1tb?


might as well get a two

Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:57 am to
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MOBO: Asus ROG Maximus VIII Hero


Nice board, but there are a bunch more for less that are still good quality.

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CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 8M Skylake Quad-Core 4.0 GHz LGA 1151


IF this is just a gaming PC, go with either the i5-6500 with an H170 board or a i5-6600k with a Z170 board.

Also get a Hyper 212 evo cooler.
Posted by Jonathann3891
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2012
170 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:58 am to
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Liquid Cooled?


Why


Just an option I'm considering. Are you against liquid cooled pc's?
Posted by RecordSetter
Member since Mar 2016
330 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:06 am to
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Are you against liquid cooled pc's?


Depends on the price point honestly. As someone else pointed out though, a larger fan could make the same difference
Posted by Jonathann3891
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2012
170 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:11 am to
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IF this is just a gaming PC, go with either the i5-6500 with an H170 board or a i5-6600k with a Z170 board


I'm new to this, so can you explain why?
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:14 am to
Theres nothing wrong with an i7-6700k, but for just gaming you could have just as good performance with the i5-6600k if your OCing and you save some money.

If your not OCing, an i5-6500 with an H170 would give you your best bang for your buck.

ILike knows a lot more about this stuff, so I'm sure he'll give you some more advice when he see this thread.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 9:15 am
Posted by seawolf06
NH
Member since Oct 2007
8159 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:17 am to
Skip the liquid cooled. Too much risk and chips are able to overclock significantly at lower temps than ever before.

Go to pcpartpicker.com and check out the build guides. Then build one of your own using their tools.

Don't forget about OS and WiFi if you need it.

The video card is the most important part of a gaming build so you can cheap out on some other things, and you don't need the latest and greatest, but definitely don't skimp out here.
Posted by hawgfaninc
https://youtu.be/torc9P4-k5A
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:33 am to
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
30922 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 10:54 am to
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CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 8M Skylake Quad-Core 4.0 GHz LGA 1151
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 960


drop down to an i5 and use the money saved to get a real GPU
while you are at it, get a ~$125 motherboard vs that overpriced ROG model. you are paying for flash and features youll likely never use, those funds can be put to better use - like getting a real gaming card.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 11:01 am
Posted by Socratics
Virginia Beach
Member since Dec 2013
2463 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 11:00 am to
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drop down to an i5 and use the money saved to get a real GPU


I agree


The GTX 960 is kinda sub par at this point. Core i5 + GTX 970 would go much further.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 11:38 am to
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drop down to an i5 and use the money saved to get a real GPU
while you are at it, get a ~$125 motherboard vs that overpriced ROG model. you are paying for flash and features youll likely never use, those funds can be put to better use - like getting a real gaming card.


This. Listen to this.

EDIT: Gaming Board would've been a better place to post this.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 11:40 am
Posted by Jonathann3891
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2012
170 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 11:45 am to
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Gaming Board would've been a better place to post this


I'll repost over there
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 11:53 am to
No need. I'll help here. But if you do want to continue the discussion on the gaming board, post in the stickied PC thread. That's where the cool kids hang out.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 11:54 am
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
18241 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 12:10 pm to
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Skip the liquid cooled. Too much risk


The frick?
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 12:20 pm to
Here's a foundational part list:

PCPartPicker part list: LINK

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($244.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170XP-SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($118.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($35.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($71.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $708.92

I deliberately left out a case and GPU from the list because cases are preference-based (I'm not sure why you want a full tower, though. Full towers are oversized for builds like these).

I left out the GPU because I would recommend you wait until the summer if you can stand it. New GPUs from both AMD and NVIDIA are going to be announced at Computex. If they end up being higher end cards that you can't afford, you'll still potentially see a price drop on existing cards like the GTX 970 and R9-390. If you had to buy a card today, I'd recommend the 390. And a 1440p monitor.

The list I posted above will provide for basic, respectable overclocking. For advanced overclocking, I might recommend a CPU/mobo/cooler combo like this:

PCPartPicker part list: LINK

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($244.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($88.64 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z170A GAMING M5 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($156.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $482.61

So, an extra $80 or so. I wouldn't expect $80 worth of performance gains over the other setup, though. Advanced overclocking is more of a hobby than a practical application.

I am not against liquid cooling, but the kind that I recommend goes way beyond reasonable spending. I used to recommend all-in-one coolers like the Corsair H80/H100/etc. for high-end builds. But it's become increasingly obvious that they are kind of loud for what they do, and they needlessly introduce an additional point of failure -- the pump. Some people advise against them because they're afraid of leaks, but that's the least of my worries in a closed loop system. I just don't want novices to get complacent with an all-in-one loop and not notice when the pump fails, and wonder why their gaming performance has plummeted. You try gaming on a failed pump for too long with an overclocked CPU, it'll kill it. But mostly, I just think they offer little performance gains for a lot of money.

For liquid cooling, a custom loop is the way to go. But you're looking at spending $300 minimum for a CPU/GPU cooling system. My liquid cooling system uses nearly $1,000 in parts:



The tangible benefits (significantly reduced noise and all the overclocking headroom the CPU and GPU can handle) are nice, but not even close to being worth what I spent. Like above, this is strictly a hobby expense, taken to an extreme.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 12:27 pm
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
52279 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 12:21 pm to
I think the only risk would be if you install it wrong, but these days the AIO coolers are pretty simple to install right?

Idk, I've never gone the liquid cool route.
Posted by DrSteveBrule
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
12009 posts
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:14 pm to
The correct answer to the liquid cooling argument is that if you don't know why you want liquid cooling then you shouldn't get liquid cooling.

That said, there are some reasons that involve pure aesthetics and there is nothing wrong with that.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 7:16 pm
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