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re: Apple's share of global smartphone profits rises to 94 percent
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:15 pm to GFunk
Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:15 pm to GFunk
quote:I'm with you there. OTOH,
I just don't have the time or even the interest to deal with a operating system that can be tinkered or toyed with.
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I want something to work well and be polished and Apple's almost never failed at providing that experience to me.
My iPhone experience gave me shingles. Almost nothing worked like i thought it should. iTunes sucked donkeys.
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it gets along well with the other tech items
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like Apple Tablets and two generations of Apple TV's
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Posted on 11/19/15 at 2:20 pm to AlxTgr
i'll just leave this here.
my wife's iphone stopped backing up the other because it said "out of space on iCloud"
i was like whaat?
she literally does NOTHING on her phone except play with pinterest and take pics and video of our 1yo.
i installed google photos on it a long time ago so i know all of her photos & video are safely stored but i just shook my head when i picked up the phone.
i mean..wtf apple? this is your target base..someone who just uses the phone for normal things and doesn't expect to have to pay money to keep stupid messages like that from popping up (apple kindly offered to upgrade her icloud to fix this for $$$)
i mean..i know i'm an android fan boy but shite like this is what turns me off to apple.
my wife's iphone stopped backing up the other because it said "out of space on iCloud"
i was like whaat?
she literally does NOTHING on her phone except play with pinterest and take pics and video of our 1yo.
i installed google photos on it a long time ago so i know all of her photos & video are safely stored but i just shook my head when i picked up the phone.
i mean..wtf apple? this is your target base..someone who just uses the phone for normal things and doesn't expect to have to pay money to keep stupid messages like that from popping up (apple kindly offered to upgrade her icloud to fix this for $$$)
i mean..i know i'm an android fan boy but shite like this is what turns me off to apple.
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 11/19/15 at 3:01 pm to CAD703X
I pay $.99/month for 50GB of iCloud storage...I'm probably being destroyed on that but it works plenty well enough for what I do.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 3:13 pm to GFunk
i mean, pshaw, its just $12/year more right?
only OT poor wouldn't upgrade their iphone storage online.
only OT poor wouldn't upgrade their iphone storage online.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 3:15 pm to CAD703X
Storage? My phone isn't even half full
Posted on 11/19/15 at 3:36 pm to CAD703X
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but shite like this is what turns me off to apple.
I never really understood the Android vs iPhone thing until recently. Little things I started not liking about the iPhone just kept adding up. It started with iTunes and how user unfriendly it had become, then all the added apps with each new iOS that you couldn't remove, the storage message, and the final was how progressively worse the older models got with each new iOS update.
Switched to a Droid(Nexus 6) a few months ago, and the experience is much better. There are things I still like better on the iPhone, but overall the Droid is much more user friendly. I don't even know how to get in and tinker much with the settings, but just being able to delete pre-loaded apps I know I'll never use is such a huge improvement.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 3:37 pm to AlxTgr
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AlxTgr
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Storage? My phone isn't even half full
I have a 64GB iPhone and a 16GB iPad Mini 2. I was paying for 20GB for $10/year one-time and then they offered the 50GB for .99/month and I upgraded. But it also applies to my phone, my tablet, my wife's old-arse iPad 2 and her iPhone 6 as well. With regular backups that can utilize some space.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 3:48 pm to GFunk
quote:I believe Netflix had some issues several years ago, so that was probably part of it. And being pre-installed I might even chalk some of it up to the phone manufacturer. Either way, Android gets the blame. Fair or not, that's understandable.
It was several years back and the pre-installed Netflix App did not work.
quote:And that's fine, but Android is pretty well polished these days, and it retains a lot of the tinkerability. A lot of us just don't care for Apple-style polish, because it comes at the expense of having a device that works how you want it to. Obviously, many people have no trouble adapting to the Apple way of doing things, or it already made sense to them. But for the rest of us, Android bends enough to do things how we want, but is now refined enough that most don't really feel the need to change much, if anything.
I just don't have the time or even the interest to deal with a operating system that can be tinkered or toyed with. It doesn't interest me. I want something to work well and be polished and Apple's almost never failed at providing that experience to me.
quote:It's not about intelligence. But the sheep comparison kind of fits because all these millions of presumably diverse people end up doing things the same way. Surely many of those people wish they could change something about their phone, but it's just not an option, right? So they have to just fall in line and do things the Apple way.
I don't understand why needing to be on the bleeding (jagged, rough, and unrefined) edge of tech (at the expense of UI and UX) is something that makes someone more intelligent or less of a sheep than someone who just wants the functionality of a smartphone without endless ability to adjust-and consequently, to f*ck up-the damn thing.
quote:Like I said, for me the sheep comparison is about behavior, not intelligence. Here you admit to having purchased several other Apple products. Either 1) you thought those products were the best fit for your needs and budget (unlikely, I think, because I doubt you even considered another brand), 2) you were so satisfied with your prior Apple purchases that you assumed nothing could beat it (normal behavior, but you were sort of shepherded in that direction), or 3) you knew that Apple products work best with other Apple products (in which case you were also shepherded in that direction via marketing and/or intentional vendor lock-in tactics).
Why are people who like Apple products simply sheep? If what I use it for works, and it gets along well with the other tech items in my house (like Apple Tablets and two generations of Apple TV's) why does that make me some being of lesser intelligence?
If you are satisfied with your purchases and the price you paid, great. That doesn't make you dumb. It just leaves a lot of us scratching our heads, especially when you type long posts full of things about alternatives that aren't true.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 4:01 pm to Korkstand
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Korkstand
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But the sheep comparison kind of fits because all these millions of presumably diverse people end up doing things the same way. Surely many of those people wish they could change something about their phone, but it's just not an option, right? So they have to just fall in line and do things the Apple way.
Like using the telephone, or a fax, or a desktop, or a laptop, or an ultrabook, people are shepherded into many directions. We could talk about software they use on PC's but we know that's an even bigger sheep story there. Yes I know folks use Linux, Chrome OS, and-CURSES-whatever name of the California City that Apple's OSX iteration is these days...but bemoaning folks for doing what far and away more folks are doing with various other pieces of tech that are or were more ubiquitous in our lives is strangely missing from a lot of your discussions here. Most of the time I see you catching a case here, it's typically because of APPL.
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Like I said, for me the sheep comparison is about behavior, not intelligence.
We can agree to disagree on the rest based on what you've said here. If I've misunderstood you its my fault, but your tone in many of your posts seems to belie what you've clarified with here. Regardless of whose issue it is, I'm glad you did though.
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Either 1) you thought those products were the best fit for your needs and budget (unlikely, I think, because I doubt you even considered another brand), 2) you were so satisfied with your prior Apple purchases that you assumed nothing could beat it (normal behavior, but you were sort of shepherded in that direction), or 3) you knew that Apple products work best with other Apple products (in which case you were also shepherded in that direction via marketing and/or intentional vendor lock-in tactics).
I'll tell you...I got tired of burning CD's and I bought an Apple iPod Mini. Then I got an Apple iPod 5th Gen (iPod Video). Then my Dad bought a Mac Book Pro. He is the world's WORST at effing up PC's and "broke," each one he owned. I'm totally serious.
He's still running that MBP because he's cheap. The screen went out and he just runs a monitor with it hooked up. I'm totally serious too. LOL. It's lasted him forever. In the meantime, he bought an iPhone. I decided to pay $99 for a refurbished iPhone 3G and never looked back.
I have played with tech toys from Amazon, Motorola, Samsung, and many others. I am familiar with the product I own, and when iPad's hit the market, no one had anything I felt was comparable.
With the Apple TV, I actually bought my best friend an Apple TV and a Google TV (earlier gen). I didn't know which one would be better but I figured he'd figure it out.
They used the Apple TV in their living room, and the Google TV in their bedroom...and then they bought an Apple TV for their bedroom. When I got ready to buy one, I looked up Roku's and I went with Apple based on what I wanted to use it for, and the ability to "Mirror," the content on my screen.
Just being honest. My feedback from friends was that Google TV sucked donkey balls. I owned over Apple Products and so did family. Never an issue with any of them.
YMMV.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 4:05 pm to GFunk
quote:My wife and son use Apple stuff. I hear them complain about storage from time to time. I had a small issue with my Asus. Decrapifier took care of that. None on my phone.
I have a 64GB iPhone and a 16GB iPad Mini 2. I was paying for 20GB for $10/year one-time and then they offered the 50GB for .99/month and I upgraded. But it also applies to my phone, my tablet, my wife's old-arse iPad 2 and her iPhone 6 as well. With regular backups that can utilize some space.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 7:39 pm to AlxTgr
My wife, son & daughter in law all use iPhones varying from the 4S to 6 Plus. They all are continually fighting one issue or another, from wildly inconsistent battery performance to all the borked updates to the OS of late. At some point I frequently become involved in the problem solving which, I've come to absolutely hate.
Why, in the name of heaven, does Apple require a signin to download a free app? And in a similar vein, why can the App Store not take a clue from Google's organization of the Play Store? Why do they retain the convoluted Settings Menu system? Why do they not adapt some system to mimic Android's App Drawer? - (c'mon, who wants or needs a shortcut to every single installed app on the home screen?). This is the sort of little things that are seemingly insignificant but drives me nuts. Every single function requires extra, unnecessary steps to accomplish the task. I appreciate Android more every time I fight through having to deal with one.
Why, in the name of heaven, does Apple require a signin to download a free app? And in a similar vein, why can the App Store not take a clue from Google's organization of the Play Store? Why do they retain the convoluted Settings Menu system? Why do they not adapt some system to mimic Android's App Drawer? - (c'mon, who wants or needs a shortcut to every single installed app on the home screen?). This is the sort of little things that are seemingly insignificant but drives me nuts. Every single function requires extra, unnecessary steps to accomplish the task. I appreciate Android more every time I fight through having to deal with one.
Posted on 11/19/15 at 9:46 pm to NELA LSU Fan
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Why, in the name of heaven, does Apple require a signin to download a free app?
one of the most annoying things ive ever had to deal with, especially since apple requires like a 20 character password
This post was edited on 11/19/15 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 11/20/15 at 8:58 pm to NELA LSU Fan
Apple's had folders and the ability to hide those links and folders on sub screens for-literally-years. You can also search in settings now.
You don't sound very familiar with iOS to not be aware you can create folders and hide them on subsequent pages...?
You don't sound very familiar with iOS to not be aware you can create folders and hide them on subsequent pages...?
Posted on 11/20/15 at 9:39 pm to Korkstand
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Korkstand
For answering all that bullshite.
I always have to tell people that I press JUST AS many buttons as you press on your iPhone to make calls, email, text etc..
Yet they keep trying to say android is for "techies" .
Posted on 11/20/15 at 9:48 pm to GFunk
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They're the easiest game in town
Huh? I walked into the store, bought my phone, uploaded contacts through google, done. Did I miss a lot of really hard steps?
Is this the whole "3 EASY payments of $19" vs. "3 HARD payments of $19" infommerical bullshite?
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I base my experience with Android on a few frustrating hours of trying to get a tablet to run Netflix on it for my nephew at his Paw Paw's house.
Maybe you're not bright? Might need to detail this mysterious "issue".
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The ironic thing is that I have heavy job experience in project management for software dev. I don't know how to write a line of code but I've worked with lots of Java, .net and even Cobalt Devs. Even their PMP manager have something in common: foreign or American, male or female...they all owned iPhones.
Some businesses issue iPhones. I have a friend who has both an android and an iPhone. They may have had no choice on the matter.
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For someone who does not care about modifying or tweaking or side loading or what have you...it's a product that I don't have to worry with, or hardly think about after I swipe a few times and choose which backup I want to restore from.
What the hell is this "tweaking and side loading" bullshite youre talking about? I swear you're making stuff up. I suppose this how the Apple ads also work.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 12:22 am to CAD703X
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qualify this. is this an 'apple group text' where someone added an android user?
i know for a fact my texts get LOW treatment when my wife's family is in a group text..mine are always 10-15 minutes behind and out-of-context by the time other people see them on their iPhones.
i'm sure the apple servers are just overloaded with iMessages and can't handle those 'unwashed' pesky android sms messing up the experience.
Sounds like you have no idea how iOS messaging works. SMS is not routed through Apple's servers so I have no idea why you think this has anything to do with that.
But admittedly I haven't used an Android phone in years so I'm not really on the up and up about how group messaging works on there.
However, as I understand it, text messaging on Android still just goes through regular SMS right? If so, that's probably the problem. SMS sucks, especially through group SMS messages. I much prefer the way iMessage works with group messages.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 7:11 am to efrad
quote:LOL are you asking if apple makes their closed circle jerk of a message format available for those "other" phones that might be fricking up the Apple group message utopia because someone accidentally included a person using an unwashed heathen phone on the conversation?
However, as I understand it, text messaging on Android still just goes through regular SMS right?
Certainly they should have found out what type of phone they had before screwing up the iphone jerkoff experience with a non "imessager".
Funny how SMS gets to the other phone for me 99.9% of the time within seconds except when they are clearly interrupting the Apple circle jerk then 20 minute delays are because of..... SMS.
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I much prefer the way iMessage works with group messages
Imagine a world with only iPhones....
This post was edited on 11/21/15 at 8:30 am
Posted on 11/21/15 at 11:11 am to CAD703X
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LOL are you asking if apple makes their closed circle jerk of a message format available for those "other" phones that might be fricking up the Apple group message utopia because someone accidentally included a person using an unwashed heathen phone on the conversation?
No, that's not what I'm asking. I know iMessage isn't available on other platforms.
I know Google has chat services of their own so my question is does Android integrate SMS with their chat platform like Apple does?
After some quick Googling apparently people use Google Hangouts in this way. I'm not familiar with Hangouts though.
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Certainly they should have found out what type of phone they had before screwing up the iphone jerkoff experience with a non "imessager".
Funny how SMS gets to the other phone for me 99.9% of the time within seconds except when they are clearly interrupting the Apple circle jerk then 20 minute delays are because of..... SMS.
It has nothing to do with the quality of service I get from SMS (I have no idea what the frick you're talking about re: "20 minute delays" when using SMS; SMS works just fricking fine on iOS, I'm on AT&T). My beef with group messaging via is that you can't see who is a recipient in the group message and this is not a flaw with any mobile platform, it is a flaw within SMS. And, because of that, when you mix iMessage users and SMS users in the same group message you can get an effect where you can see some of the recipients but not all, and sometimes you can split/separate threads when people start responding back and forth. I wonder how Android handles this when you have split recipients within Hangouts messages and SMS recipients?
SMS is a shitty outdated protocol.
Whether you like it or not iMessage works way better than SMS does because you get things like delivery receipts, read receipts, you can see when the recipient is typing back, etc. The same fricking types of reasons why everyone touted Blackberry Messenger for being superior to SMS for years before Apple or Android arrived on the scene.
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Imagine a world with only iPhones....
It'd certainly be a better experience texting for me but in no way do I want Apple to have a monopoly in any market. I like the products that Apple creates because a lot of times I find their implementations are better than anyone else's but many times they don't come out with features until a competitor does because they need that fire lit under their asses.
Nothing I've said has been critical of Android or fanboying up Apple so get your fricking head out of your arse.
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