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Yes, it is Klinsmann's fault
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:49 pm
First of all, how many friendlies have we wasted where we should have been figuring out who our back up plan was?
Secondly, he got his tactics all wrong. Everyone in the world knows that Argentina's strength is straight through the middle of the field with Messi and Higuain. Why in God's name did we punt the midfield? Beckerman used to serve a role, he can't serve it anymore. By now, we should have a backup plan for our 34 year old center mid that isn't a much worse 34 year old center mid.
Chris Wondolowski was a waste of a player in this game. We needed an extra man to help out in the midfield and that man was never going to be Clint Dempsey. Dempsey should have been a lone striker with another center mid give an outlet to Bradley -- Bradley was terrible partly due to the fact that he had no one to pass to. You have to think about your 3 center mids in this situation as your midfield.
We're not as good as Argentina. You need 2 guys who can put in a tackle on Messi and you need another guy who can link the midfield to the attack. Instead, we got Beckerman and Wondo. Jürgen Klinsmann doesn't understand how to balance a lineup and we got skullfricked because of it.
We needed a strong back 4 with a strong 5 man midfield to have a chance in this game and we didn't do it.
Disagree all you want but I'm just a guy who drinks beer and watches soccer for fun and I can tell you that the tactics let the team down.
Secondly, he got his tactics all wrong. Everyone in the world knows that Argentina's strength is straight through the middle of the field with Messi and Higuain. Why in God's name did we punt the midfield? Beckerman used to serve a role, he can't serve it anymore. By now, we should have a backup plan for our 34 year old center mid that isn't a much worse 34 year old center mid.
Chris Wondolowski was a waste of a player in this game. We needed an extra man to help out in the midfield and that man was never going to be Clint Dempsey. Dempsey should have been a lone striker with another center mid give an outlet to Bradley -- Bradley was terrible partly due to the fact that he had no one to pass to. You have to think about your 3 center mids in this situation as your midfield.
We're not as good as Argentina. You need 2 guys who can put in a tackle on Messi and you need another guy who can link the midfield to the attack. Instead, we got Beckerman and Wondo. Jürgen Klinsmann doesn't understand how to balance a lineup and we got skullfricked because of it.
We needed a strong back 4 with a strong 5 man midfield to have a chance in this game and we didn't do it.
Disagree all you want but I'm just a guy who drinks beer and watches soccer for fun and I can tell you that the tactics let the team down.
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:54 pm to hendersonshands
And if you're going to downvote, please tell me where I'm wrong. Just because Jurgen was born in Germany doesn't mean he knows what he's doing.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:02 am to hendersonshands
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Chris Wondolowski was a waste of a player in this game. We needed an extra man to help out in the midfield and that man was never going to be Clint Dempsey. Dempsey should have been a lone striker with another center mid give an outlet to Bradley -- Bradley was terrible partly due to the fact that he had no one to pass to. You have to think about your 3 center mids in this situation as your midfield.
We're not as good as Argentina. You need 2 guys who can put in a tackle on Messi and you need another guy who can link the midfield to the attack. Instead, we got Beckerman and Wondo. Jürgen Klinsmann doesn't understand how to balance a lineup and we got skullfricked because of it.
I'm not disagreeing with it being Klinsman's fault, but with Jones on the field, that significantly changes the tempo and I'd guess you could put Nagbe in as the outlet. Jones and Bradley focusing on closing down the midfield, Nagbe as the link, Bedoya roaming behind Dempsey.
The problem was Klinsman's 23. With Jones, Wood, and Bedoya out you have Pulisic, Nagbe, Birnbaum, Kitchen, Orozco, Beckerman and Besler, just no room to navigate tactics with that crew. Chandler might have been a better play than Wondo. And that sucks to say.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:07 am to hendersonshands
i forgot who it was, but I am almost positive it Bob Bradley who said they should play this game the same way they did against Spain in 09, put so much pressure on Xavi in the middle he had to push it out wide and let Demerrit and Gooch defend everything sent into the middle
Force everything to the outside and let Brooks and Cameron use their vastly physical superiority to clear everything they send in, put speed on the wings and counter the frick out of them.
Jurgen probably should've gone with something like this
You have a rock solid back 4, a guy in Bradley who will get dirty on defense, and 2 wings who are good at trackling back. Nagbe playing in the middle to send outlet passes, and Clint and Zardes up top. Yea it's probably not ideal, but it would've been the best option
Force everything to the outside and let Brooks and Cameron use their vastly physical superiority to clear everything they send in, put speed on the wings and counter the frick out of them.
Jurgen probably should've gone with something like this
You have a rock solid back 4, a guy in Bradley who will get dirty on defense, and 2 wings who are good at trackling back. Nagbe playing in the middle to send outlet passes, and Clint and Zardes up top. Yea it's probably not ideal, but it would've been the best option
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 12:09 am
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:11 am to Freauxzen
Picking the wrong 23 is Klinsmann's fault. That also goes back to all the wasted friendlies
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:12 am to hendersonshands
What about all the times Jurgen played CDM at LW? You call that wasted? I call that innovative man
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:12 am to fightingtigers98
I like what you said at the beginning but I don't like your lineup. We needed to overload the center of the field, enough to make them uncomfortable. Nagbe next to Bradley doesn't do that. Nagbe in an advanced role, sure
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:14 am to hendersonshands
It was more for asthetic purposes to have him right there, the idea is for Bradley to drop back in the center and have Nage roam midfield with Dempsey and Zardes in front of him
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:17 am to fightingtigers98
But if you want to force everything out wide you need more than Bradley. You need two guys there with Nagbe as the tip of the triangle. Zardes is more of an outside mid on this level because his touch fails him with his back to goal
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:18 am to hendersonshands
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Picking the wrong 23 is Klinsmann's fault. That also goes back to all the wasted friendlies
Right, which backed him into a corner. There were better choices for sure, but I'd doubt anyone wants to see Birnbaum, Orozco, Kitchen, Chandler, or Wondo on the field. Beckerman is extremely situational at best.
I think Jurgen often outsmarts it's like he decided NOT to pressure Messi because pressuring Messi is exactly what everyone thinks he should do.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:22 am to Freauxzen
Maybe Alfredo Morales could have played well for us tonight but all Jurgen knows is that he's a crummy left mid
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:44 am to hendersonshands
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And if you're going to downvote, please tell me where I'm wrong
You know this board won't do that
Posted on 6/22/16 at 1:54 am to hendersonshands
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But if you want to force everything out wide you need more than Bradley. You need two guys there with Nagbe as the tip of the triangle.
Perhaps a 4-2-3-1 then?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 2:28 am to hendersonshands
We did get skullfricked but no amount of tactics would have saved this team tonight against that lineup in a competitive match
Posted on 6/22/16 at 3:56 am to Porcine Human
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We did get skullfricked but no amount of tactics would have saved this team tonight against that lineup in a competitive match
I agree we're losing that much no matter what, but the depressing thing is the lineup Klinsmann went with is just about the worse choice he could have made. I literally cared less about this game when I saw our starting XI.
Who is surprised Wondolowski did absolutely nothing? Anyone? Why we played a 4-4-2 with him I'll never understand. Maybe there is some scenario where Beckerman could be useful but what Jurgen tried to do wasn't it. There was nothing tactically creative or smart about any of it. If he honestly thinks that team had a chance of competing, I question his sanity.
It was just replacing like-for-like players except with ones that are vastly less talented against a far superior opponent. Yes, Argentina's talent completely outclasses us, but what Jurgen did shows he either doesn't realize that or is tactically inept.
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 4:02 am
Posted on 6/22/16 at 6:13 am to hendersonshands
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And if you're going to downvote, please tell me where I'm wrong.
I don't like the upvote downvote feature because it kills actual conversation. They don't have to bother defending their views.
The downvotes on this post prove my point
This post was edited on 6/22/16 at 8:18 am
Posted on 6/22/16 at 6:16 am to cwil177
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I don't like the upvote downvote feature because it kills actual conversation. They don't have to bother defending their views.
a yess I said this the other week and got lots of downvotes and told I was wrong
Posted on 6/22/16 at 7:28 am to StraightCashHomey21
The talent gap in this game was astounding. No starting XI we had would have this one.
With that said, the XI that he picked was absolutely wrong. Wondo is completely worthless at this level. You are basically playing with 10 men right there. And yet again it's another tournament where we didn't have a like for like replacement for a striker.
Beckerman has his role against the Honduras' of the world but holy shite not here. And as said moving Bradley yet again into a more advanced role against this team is suicide.
And slightly related - have you ever seen a manager so stuck on playing CBs on their strong footed side and not letting them play either side? Even though Besler is left footed, wouldn't you want him as the right CB over a right footed Birnbaum every day of the week or am I just crazy?
With that said, the XI that he picked was absolutely wrong. Wondo is completely worthless at this level. You are basically playing with 10 men right there. And yet again it's another tournament where we didn't have a like for like replacement for a striker.
Beckerman has his role against the Honduras' of the world but holy shite not here. And as said moving Bradley yet again into a more advanced role against this team is suicide.
And slightly related - have you ever seen a manager so stuck on playing CBs on their strong footed side and not letting them play either side? Even though Besler is left footed, wouldn't you want him as the right CB over a right footed Birnbaum every day of the week or am I just crazy?
Posted on 6/22/16 at 7:37 am to etm512
Agreed. It's not Jurgy's fault we lost - it's probably his fault the spread was 4 goals. May should been 3 goals.
That being said - gap was insane in technical skill. It was probably the best team I've seen the USMNT play, including Germany 2014.
That being said - gap was insane in technical skill. It was probably the best team I've seen the USMNT play, including Germany 2014.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 8:01 am to Freauxzen
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I think Jurgen often outsmarts it's like he decided NOT to pressure Messi because pressuring Messi is exactly what everyone thinks he should do.
Giving Messi space sounds like a solid tactic to me.
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