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re: Through 2 of 3 Group Matches:Would Landy Have Made a Difference?
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:23 pm to SabiDojo
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:23 pm to SabiDojo
It is idiotic to make a decisive claim that Donovan wouldn't have helped.
If Zusi and Bedoya each had a hat trick and we won both games in a dominating 5-0 fashion, have at it. But what Bho is doing is basically pulling his nuts out after getting a B- on an 8th grade biology test.
If Zusi and Bedoya each had a hat trick and we won both games in a dominating 5-0 fashion, have at it. But what Bho is doing is basically pulling his nuts out after getting a B- on an 8th grade biology test.
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:26 pm to Broski
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Explain
What's not to get? The US hasn't been perfect. Just because we're sitting pretty doesn't mean one can't sit back and analyze whether Donovan could help us in any way.
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Because the Landon talk had died once the tournament started only to be zombified right before one of the biggest matches in US Soccer history.
.....okay? What's wrong with that? It doesn't mean you're any less a supporter of the US team to bring it back up.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:28 pm to SabiDojo
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What's not to get? The US hasn't been perfect. Just because we're sitting pretty doesn't mean one can't sit back and analyze whether Donovan could help us in any way.
Yeah, if his intentions were legitimate, but Bho knew exactly what he was doing.
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.....okay? What's wrong with that? It doesn't mean you're any less a supporter of the US team to bring it back up.
No one questioned his USMNT fandom.
You seem confused, you should RA me again.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:29 pm to Broski
I guess I just am not familiar with his post history.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:30 pm to Broski
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you should RA me again
Only if you give me a reason to.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:31 pm to SabiDojo
Well, he could have. He could have been at the very least a good sub for Zusi when he looked gassed in the second half of the match yesterday. And in the Ghana game he could have helped by delivering better set pieces than anyone on the field in the first 65 minutes and also in the possession game. However...
those things were not necessary for 4 points (or even 6 points), so I'm not going to definitively say the US would be in a better spot with Donovan getting massive minutes because it would make me look like an arrogant fool using circular logic to give himself an ego boost, much like the thread starter.
those things were not necessary for 4 points (or even 6 points), so I'm not going to definitively say the US would be in a better spot with Donovan getting massive minutes because it would make me look like an arrogant fool using circular logic to give himself an ego boost, much like the thread starter.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:32 pm to SabiDojo
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. I don't know why this is such a sensitive subject for people.
People put a lot of emotion into hating JK for leaving off their hero.
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this thread is far from illegitimate.
Definitely unnecessary, though. Bad tone, too. And we really don't know. Donovan could have been a super sub and created a late goal.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:32 pm to SabiDojo
I bet you've never made fun of Brazilians.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:32 pm to uway
I agree that it's a pointless exercise, but my opinion:
Ghana - absolutely. Our set pieces were horseshite until Zusi came on. We spent almost 80 minutes with no link between midfield and attack (as Clint couldn't breathe and shuffled more than normal) and no counterattack at all. Add that to AJs invisible showing and having Donovan come in for an injured Jozy and pushing Clint up top probably keeps that game from being 90 minutes of scramble defending.
Portugal - I would loved to have had Donovan come on for Zusi (who was clearly gassed) at the half. No more (or at least fewer) overcooked set pieces, and I'd be willing to bet that Donovan would:
a. Bury the shot that Bradley hit at Ricardo Costa
b. Make the right decision on the 5 v 2 breakaway in the second half.
In all, do we have more points if Donovan is here? Who the hell knows - every one of us would have taken 4 points through two games if offered it after the draw in December.
But I do believe he would have helped relieve some of the pressure against Ghana and finish off a reeling Portugal - neither of which happened.
Ghana - absolutely. Our set pieces were horseshite until Zusi came on. We spent almost 80 minutes with no link between midfield and attack (as Clint couldn't breathe and shuffled more than normal) and no counterattack at all. Add that to AJs invisible showing and having Donovan come in for an injured Jozy and pushing Clint up top probably keeps that game from being 90 minutes of scramble defending.
Portugal - I would loved to have had Donovan come on for Zusi (who was clearly gassed) at the half. No more (or at least fewer) overcooked set pieces, and I'd be willing to bet that Donovan would:
a. Bury the shot that Bradley hit at Ricardo Costa
b. Make the right decision on the 5 v 2 breakaway in the second half.
In all, do we have more points if Donovan is here? Who the hell knows - every one of us would have taken 4 points through two games if offered it after the draw in December.
But I do believe he would have helped relieve some of the pressure against Ghana and finish off a reeling Portugal - neither of which happened.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:34 pm to Broski
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I bet you've never made fun of Brazilians.
We have a few names we call them, but I wouldn't say them here.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:35 pm to SabiDojo
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We have a few names we call them, but I wouldn't say them here.
So basically you are throwing stones from a glass house?
Got it.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:36 pm to Sheep
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I agree that it's a pointless exercise, but my opinion:
Ghana - absolutely. Our set pieces were horseshite until Zusi came on. We spent almost 80 minutes with no link between midfield and attack (as Clint couldn't breathe and shuffled more than normal) and no counterattack at all. Add that to AJs invisible showing and having Donovan come in for an injured Jozy and pushing Clint up top probably keeps that game from being 90 minutes of scramble defending.
Portugal - I would loved to have had Donovan come on for Zusi (who was clearly gassed) at the half. No more (or at least fewer) overcooked set pieces, and I'd be willing to bet that Donovan would:
a. Bury the shot that Bradley hit at Ricardo Costa
b. Make the right decision on the 5 v 2 breakaway in the second half.
In all, do we have more points if Donovan is here? Who the hell knows - every one of us would have taken 4 points through two games if offered it after the draw in December.
But I do believe he would have helped relieve some of the pressure against Ghana and finish off a reeling Portugal - neither of which happened.
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:36 pm to hendersonshands
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:38 pm to Broski
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So basically you are throwing stones from a glass house?
Got it.
I try to respect the rules of the site. However, I admit I too can get carried away.
Besides, your thread title was childish and almost confusing. But, you're a good guy. I hold no ill will against you.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:49 pm to Sheep
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But I do believe he would have helped relieve some of the pressure against Ghana and finish off a reeling Portugal - neither of which happened.
Everything you said is reasonable (except I don't really get the part about him burying Bradley's shot. Where is Bradley in that scenario?), but it discounts any positives that might have accrued to the team in Donovan's absence, like (perhaps) other guys stepping up and taking ownership of the game more than they would with the Living Legend Landon Donovan (LLLD) on the pitch, avoiding the media circus of why LLLD is on the bench (like in the Mexico friendly), avoiding the internal dissension of the LLLD thinking he was one of your best two players (as evidenced by him saying as much after he was cut) but not being a first choice player, etc etc.
It's actually pretty clear to me that someone not named Landon Donovan but with his current skill set would absolutely be on this team and would have come in to make a difference in these games. I just don't believe Landon is well suited to that role and to not being one of the main guys.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:50 pm to uway
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It's actually pretty clear to me that someone not named Landon Donovan but with his current skill set would absolutely be on this team and would have come in to make a difference in these games. I just don't believe Landon is well suited to that role and to not being one of the main guys.
I've heard this a lot and honestly don't understand where it comes from. I've never seen Landon as a malcontent.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:52 pm to uway
so many jimmies being ruffled
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:58 pm to LSU Red24
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so many jimmies being ruffled
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:59 pm to Broski
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honestly don't understand where it comes from.
Part of it comes from him never getting in line with what Jurgen wanted.
More than that it's a result of who he is and not anything in particular he would do.
It's a bit baffling to me that y'all can be a part of such a huge uproar about him not being on the team (a guy that played only a small part in qualifying) and then also claim that it's crazy to think he would have been a distraction.
You don't have to be a malcontent to be a distraction.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:01 pm to uway
Is the first part based on him not going to Europe at the end of the season? I can't think of anything else after the sabbatical.
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