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re: This thread is for all the Jurgy naysayers....where you at now?
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:49 pm to hendersonshands
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:49 pm to hendersonshands
I am shocked that Brad Davis started the second half.
Beasley should get some award for not giving up 50 chances to Boetang.
Germany could have ruined our GD if he did not switch sides with Zusi. Davis was slow, invisible, and always behind the German attack. We are so lucky Lahm was not at RB and Howedes was one of the worst players on the pitch.
Beasley should get some award for not giving up 50 chances to Boetang.
Germany could have ruined our GD if he did not switch sides with Zusi. Davis was slow, invisible, and always behind the German attack. We are so lucky Lahm was not at RB and Howedes was one of the worst players on the pitch.
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Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:51 pm to NawlinsTiger9
I also legitimately questioned him today when he started Brad Davis and Omar. Luckily, Omar proved everyone wrong. Starting Davis today is maybe the second dumbest thing Jurgen has done.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:52 pm to hendersonshands
quote:As tired as this team looked? No way.
We could have used Donovan today
This post was edited on 6/26/14 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:52 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
He looked like a fricking make a wish kid out there playing with professionals on the defensive side of the ball. He strikes a pretty good free kick but god is he awful otherwise.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:53 pm to Shane4689
The vast majority of the criticism Klinsmann got from regulars here was regarding leaving off Donovan to bring Brad Davis and that German kid.
If anyone has been so impressed by those two during the group stage, have at the gloating.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 2:57 pm to wm72
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The vast majority of the criticism Klinsmann got from regulars here was regarding leaving off Donovan to bring Brad Davis and that German kid.
If anyone has been so impressed by those two during the group stage, have at the gloating.
Jesus, thank you.
This board is giving me malaria today.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:00 pm to kilo
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Can you name the role players, and who would have been their replacement with "more quality"?
Zusi, Bedoya, Davis
Donovan
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:02 pm to wm72
And if Jurgen considered Donovan exclusively as a forward, then please enlighten us on Wondo's impact.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:04 pm to Dalosaqy
Lol, Donovan's fitness is fine. It is not like he was in his prime, but he still can do it and play the full 90. If not, even a few minutes of Donovan is likely better than Davis.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:11 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Davis and Green over Donovan is still an awful decision. The fact that we advanced doesn't change that. It just means Jurgy did a decent job everywhere else and gets to keep his job.
Would also like to say that Wondo's been better than Johannsen so far.
Would also like to say that Wondo's been better than Johannsen so far.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:15 pm to hendersonshands
There are two things.
First, and this is something where I have absolutely no problem with Klinsmann. I have to laugh at the people who say that we've had a revolution in tactics under Klinsmann. Look at the Ghana game and the Germany game. Those were classic Bob Ball games. I have no real problem with that. Germany is much better than us. Ghana is also a side that matches up well with us. I have no issue with playing defensive soccer for much of the game (although especially today, it was a bit too defensive until Yedlin came on). However, it all runs counter to Jurgen's talking points.
Again, this is fine. Coaches are generally useless in interviews. There isn't a better coach in US sports than Gregg Popovich, and the guy has become an Internet meme based on his insistence on saying nothing to the press. But it's always interesting and even a bit sad when people fail to realize Klinsmann is talking out of both sides of his mouth when it comes to things like playing a possession-based game and "playing soccer with an American personality", whatever that frick means.
Second, WM72 said it perfectly. If anyone thinks Brad Davis and Julian Green provided more than Donovan could have and/or believes that Davis, Green, and Wondo looked like world beaters out there, have fun gloating. This is basically just a more tactful version of Bho's troll thread from earlier in the week where he was laughed at by anyone with a brain.
The two things Klinsmann deserves credit for are the Beckerman, Bradley, Jones central midfield, as well as the utilization of Yedlin as an energy sub in the final 15-20 minutes.
First, and this is something where I have absolutely no problem with Klinsmann. I have to laugh at the people who say that we've had a revolution in tactics under Klinsmann. Look at the Ghana game and the Germany game. Those were classic Bob Ball games. I have no real problem with that. Germany is much better than us. Ghana is also a side that matches up well with us. I have no issue with playing defensive soccer for much of the game (although especially today, it was a bit too defensive until Yedlin came on). However, it all runs counter to Jurgen's talking points.
Again, this is fine. Coaches are generally useless in interviews. There isn't a better coach in US sports than Gregg Popovich, and the guy has become an Internet meme based on his insistence on saying nothing to the press. But it's always interesting and even a bit sad when people fail to realize Klinsmann is talking out of both sides of his mouth when it comes to things like playing a possession-based game and "playing soccer with an American personality", whatever that frick means.
Second, WM72 said it perfectly. If anyone thinks Brad Davis and Julian Green provided more than Donovan could have and/or believes that Davis, Green, and Wondo looked like world beaters out there, have fun gloating. This is basically just a more tactful version of Bho's troll thread from earlier in the week where he was laughed at by anyone with a brain.
The two things Klinsmann deserves credit for are the Beckerman, Bradley, Jones central midfield, as well as the utilization of Yedlin as an energy sub in the final 15-20 minutes.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:21 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Second, WM72 said it perfectly. If anyone thinks Brad Davis and Julian Green provided more than Donovan could have and/or believes that Davis, Green, and Wondo looked like world beaters out there, have fun gloating. This is basically just a more tactful version of Bho's troll thread from earlier in the week where he was laughed at by anyone with a brain.
I would still take Wondo. Looked better than Johannsson for the system we're playing, honestly
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:24 pm to cwil177
We did not have to replace all of them, just one.
I was wrong on Yedlin. I had no idea he would be our impact sub. I figured that Jurgen took him as our second RB, since he was listed as a defender and Klinsmann seemed to stick to his labels (Donovan only as a forward).
I was wrong on Yedlin. I had no idea he would be our impact sub. I figured that Jurgen took him as our second RB, since he was listed as a defender and Klinsmann seemed to stick to his labels (Donovan only as a forward).
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:44 pm to Keys Open Doors
quote:
First, and this is something where I have absolutely no problem with Klinsmann. I have to laugh at the people who say that we've had a revolution in tactics under Klinsmann. Look at the Ghana game and the Germany game. Those were classic Bob Ball games. I have no real problem with that. Germany is much better than us. Ghana is also a side that matches up well with us. I have no issue with playing defensive soccer for much of the game (although especially today, it was a bit too defensive until Yedlin came on). However, it all runs counter to Jurgen's talking points.
Did we play Bob ball in qualifying? In friendlies against World Cup quality teams?
Did we play Bob ball against Portugal?
We defended and tried to counter against Ghana because our very first attack put us at a great advantage. Then we lost Jozy and basically lost Clint. That and they are physically amazing with a top-notch midfield and very dangerous guys at LB and RB. You can't judge our style of play off of that game.
This game today, what can you say? Germany is way better, was more rested, playing with almost no pressure, and our guys looked completely incapable of possessing the ball for any length of time. Not to mention the correct game plan was to keep the game close.
Jozy hasn't played. Clint hasn't done much since he got his nose broken. Bradley has been valiant but not up to his usual performance. Nearly everyone else's performance should show that we don't have the individual quality to dictate the game to a team like Germany, at least not in the conditions we had today.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:45 pm to uway
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Zusi, Bedoya, Davis
Donovan
To be fair, I'd be willing to flip a coin on Bedoya and Donovan.
Zusi is at his best playing where Bradley is (as is Mix). We brought three wide midfielders, one of whom has been run into the ground (Bedoya), and two (Davis and Green) that are ill-prepared to play at this level. So, we're using a central midfielder and RB to fill those roles.
We also brought no direct replacement for Jozy, and two (I guess) replacements for Clint - even though neither appear to have the confidence of the coaching staff.
Results have been good, but roster selection still looks very suspect as Twellman alluded to in the broadcast (but what does he know, right?).
As time passes, I still believe that Parkhurst might have been the biggest omission of all - as leaving behind an extra RB, CB and LB would have allowed for all of the missing offensive pieces and probably a direct replacement for Beckerman (which we don't have one of those, either.)
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:51 pm to Sheep
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As time passes, I still believe that Parkhurst might have been the biggest omission of all - as leaving behind an extra RB, CB and LB would have allowed for all of the missing offensive pieces and probably a direct replacement for Beckerman (which we don't have one of those, either.)
Parkhurst might have started this game at RB and allowed Fabian to move to midfield. But I think Chandler could have done that too.
I really think Jurgen expected more out of Green in camp and warm-up games than he got. I think he would have played in this game had we come in with 6 points.
Jurgen has shown a lot of faith in Zusi at RM, and in qualifying there was good reason for that. He is just out of his element so far in this WC.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:51 pm to Keys Open Doors
We advanced from the group of death today... LET me repeat that THE UNITED STATES advanced from a GROUP OF DEATH today..
Can we stop being all English Tabloids over here and give a little credit where credit is due?
Do you honestly think we would have had a better result under Bob Ball? We would have been on our heels a lot more if we were playing bob ball like in the ghana game. plus you left out a game.
tactical thing right? Bobby would have never done this.
He was a promise for a promise. If he turns out where he is expected to be, no one should have a problem with this.
Part of why we need to give credit where credit is due. Jurgy has been great at getting players to play for us. Fab has been unbelievable. prbly would not have played for us if not for Jurgy.
Can we stop being all English Tabloids over here and give a little credit where credit is due?
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Germany game
Do you honestly think we would have had a better result under Bob Ball? We would have been on our heels a lot more if we were playing bob ball like in the ghana game. plus you left out a game.
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Klinsmann deserves credit for are the Beckerman, Bradley, Jones central midfield
tactical thing right? Bobby would have never done this.
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Julian Green
He was a promise for a promise. If he turns out where he is expected to be, no one should have a problem with this.
Part of why we need to give credit where credit is due. Jurgy has been great at getting players to play for us. Fab has been unbelievable. prbly would not have played for us if not for Jurgy.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 3:55 pm to Sheep
Sheep, I think we fix all of those problems by bringing Ream.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:01 pm to cwil177
As far as I know, Ream doesn't play RB - and was less ingrained with the team than Parkhurst.
Parkhurst (I think) exceeded everyone's (admittedly modest) expectations at outside back in the past year.
Parkhurst (I think) exceeded everyone's (admittedly modest) expectations at outside back in the past year.
Posted on 6/26/14 at 4:03 pm to petar
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Do you honestly think we would have had a better result under Bob Ball?
This was Bob Ball. I am completely fine with the way we played, especially after learning of the Portugal goal.
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tactical thing right? Bobby would have never done this.
He's a pretty conservative guy who likes playing with three central midfielders at times. I can seem him putting Edu, Bradley, and Jones in a line-up. It wouldn't have been as good as what we've gotten from Beckerman in this World Cup though. I would hate to see Clark, Bradley, Jones but that's another possibility.
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Jurgy has been great at getting players to play for us. Fab has been unbelievable. prbly would not have played for us if not for Jurgy.
Agreed on the first part. He hasn't missed on a guy yet. However, I don't fully agree on the second. The decision to bring in top foreign-born players was in place before Klinsmann. After fricking up on Subotic, at least Rongen gave us a huge list of guys to look at, including Mix. Bradley got Jermaine Jones onboard as the first German guy. I think a guy like Fabian Johnson was annoyed by being overlooked by the German NT and would have come onboard to the US, regardless. The guy was called up in August 2011. Jurgen got the job in July 2011. I highly doubt there was no involvement by the USSF beforehand. These decisions don't occur in a matter of weeks. Same with Danny WIlliams, who is a less important player.
I am more skeptical that Bradley could have gotten Brooks or Green, at least at this part in their careers, though.
This post was edited on 6/26/14 at 4:05 pm
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