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re: Spurs did go in the history books tonight
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:18 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:18 pm to crazy4lsu
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Chelsea didn't say anything all that inflammatory I don't think. And what is crazy is that there was still plenty of time to get a winning goal. And Tottenham decided, almost collectively, that they would rather act like children.
The inexperience and reckless nature of young men.
So you forget about marking and give up a goal on a corner. A more seasoned side has a short memory and plays their game. Spurs on the other hand let the mistake compound by getting tight. We press high up the pitch, and never seemed to have a sense of if we should pull back and defend or just do our thing.
That confusion is frustrating and then Hazard (after talking about wanting to beat us to get LC the title) scores that goal, and emotion overrode reason. It was painful and shameful to see.
I wonder who, if anyone, will step up and be a leader when things get tense next time. The greater sin would be this team not learning from today.
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Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:19 pm to crazy4lsu
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Uh, then why didn't they actually play after Hazard scored? I don't remember a shot on goal for them after that. That would count as actual playing. Even shite
So you are going to sum up the game and season based on the last 6 minutes of this game? They are young. Unlike Chelsea. Wouldn't count them out next year.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:20 pm to Duke
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The inexperience and reckless nature of young men.
I mean the team is super young, but that where the benefit of having an older captain might come in.
If Spurs continued to press and not drop into the low block (which for me would have been the wrong thing to do 100% of the time) then I don't think Chelsea would have come back.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:21 pm to dsides
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So you are going to sum up the game and season based on the last 6 minutes of this game
Spurs didn't accumulate all 9 yellow cards in the final 6 minutes. Also, Dembele tried to blind Costa before halftime.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:23 pm to jackwoods4
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Spurs didn't accumulate all 9 yellow cards in the final 6 minutes. Also, Dembele tried to blind Costa before halftime.
I was referring to him saying they didn't play well after hazard scored. Try to keep up
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:24 pm to dsides
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So you are going to sum up the game and season based on the last 6 minutes of this game?
Where did I do that? Did they lose their cool in this game, and forget the things that made them good all season? It would appear so. I don't think they were a great team, and in any other season they would be closer to fourth than closer to 1st. This whole season in the league has been tremendously poor. The worst I've watched in 12 years of watching in terms of patterns of play.
I'm specifically talking about the fact they didn't actually "play" after Hazard scored. Why didn't they mount an attack, or earn a foul and send a long ball into the box to test Begovic. These are things that even terrible teams do when they need a goal. It makes no sense. So to reiterate, I'm talking about this game, and what they did their and not their season as a whole.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:24 pm to dsides
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I was referring to him saying they didn't play well after hazard scored. Try to keep up
I didn't record the game so I can't look for myself to check, but how many shots on goal or chances did they have after Hazard scored?
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:33 pm to crazy4lsu
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I didn't record the game so I can't look for myself to check, but how many shots on goal or chances did they have after Hazard scored?
Not sure. I'm sure you are correct in that it's not many. It was a deflating goal and they didn't handle it well but I'll give them a pass to youth.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:37 pm to crazy4lsu
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Where did I do that? Did they lose their cool in this game, and forget the things that made them good all season? It would appear so. I don't think they were a great team, and in any other season they would be closer to fourth than closer to 1st. This whole season in the league has been tremendously poor. The worst I've watched in 12 years of watching in terms of patterns of play.
Does this also apply to Leicester city? Where would they stack up in a "regular season"?
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:40 pm to crazy4lsu
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If Spurs continued to press and not drop into the low block (which for me would have been the wrong thing to do 100% of the time) then I don't think Chelsea would have come back.
Agreed.
It's not the right decision tactically, but you need to keep your players comfortable in an uncomfortable situation.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:45 pm to dsides
Probably the worst champions since maybe Man U when they won the league with 80 points or Arsenal who won the league with 78 points. LC are decent enough defensively (same GA as Arsenal) while scoring 64 goals, which is a tremendously low number. Last year the top three teams all scored more than 70. That's not to say LC don't deserve it but the pattern of play in the league has been trending downward for the last couple of years.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:47 pm to Duke
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It's not the right decision tactically, but you need to keep your players comfortable in an uncomfortable situation.
Which would have been continuing to do what they were use to. Spurs haven't played in the low block very much all season. While they could easily play it, you could tell they were uncomfortable giving Chelsea that much time and space on the ball.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:52 pm to crazy4lsu
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0. That's not to say LC don't deserve it but the pattern of play in the league has been trending downward for the last couple of years.
Please elaborate on the "pattern of play" comment. I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this.
Also, does it seem odd the LC is the first team to win league with less than 50% possession this season?
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:02 pm to dsides
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Also, does it seem odd the LC is the first team to win league with less than 50% possession this season?
it seems odd that LC won the damn thing in the first place. not odd they had 50% possession as they were a counter attacking team, primarily.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:06 pm to PTBob
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ot odd they had 50% possession as they were a counter attacking team, primarily.
Right but is it the first time a counter attacking team has won the league?
This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:07 pm to dsides
The pattern of play refers to the attacking play, how players combine with one another, how they use the defensive shape to make their own combinations. A couple of weeks ago if you watched Real Madrid vs Man City you saw something very simple when Vazquez came in from the left wing on his right foot you saw Bale sprint to between the LCB and LB and attempt to create an angle for a cross from Vazquez, temporarily overloading that CB ( I can't remember who it was, maybe Otamendi) who has Benzema in front of him and Bale behind. The movement happens immediately, as soon as Vazquez moves toward the center of the field.
This season, even the big teams like Arsenal and Chelsea start out some games in the low block, whereas before, the low block was reserved for smaller teams facing bigger teams. LC stayed in the low block all season, though they pressed well once the ball came into the attacking third, which allows for their good defensive record. Spurs did the same, although they stayed out of the low block by pressing up the field much higher. The good fortune that LC had this season was the electric form of Kante, Vardy and Mahrez, the latter who excelled at staying high up the pitch and beating his man with superb dribbling, creating overloads in other parts of the pitch. Specifically LC was the best this season at the transition game, the movement from defense to attack.
In general, since Alex Ferguson left, the attacking level of the league has decreased. The patterns of movement are easy to predict and stop, there is more emphasis on dribbling rather than movement of the ball quickly, and teams had a hard time breaking down opponents who started in the low block. Part of this is that there has been a renewed emphasis on proper defensive positioning. You don't see RB's, save a few, gallop forward at every opportunity, or players who are assigned "free roles" where they have no defensive obligations.
Patterns of play can also refer to the type of passes used. LC used lots of long balls forward to their front players to create goal scoring opportunities, and in general, long ball is looked down upon. You can have the more direct passing game that Man City tries to employ or the pensive passing game that Arsenal attempt. Teams can try to create overloads on the wings or in central areas by certain types of movements, overlaps, or the vacating of space to draw a defender away to create space for someone else.
This season, even the big teams like Arsenal and Chelsea start out some games in the low block, whereas before, the low block was reserved for smaller teams facing bigger teams. LC stayed in the low block all season, though they pressed well once the ball came into the attacking third, which allows for their good defensive record. Spurs did the same, although they stayed out of the low block by pressing up the field much higher. The good fortune that LC had this season was the electric form of Kante, Vardy and Mahrez, the latter who excelled at staying high up the pitch and beating his man with superb dribbling, creating overloads in other parts of the pitch. Specifically LC was the best this season at the transition game, the movement from defense to attack.
In general, since Alex Ferguson left, the attacking level of the league has decreased. The patterns of movement are easy to predict and stop, there is more emphasis on dribbling rather than movement of the ball quickly, and teams had a hard time breaking down opponents who started in the low block. Part of this is that there has been a renewed emphasis on proper defensive positioning. You don't see RB's, save a few, gallop forward at every opportunity, or players who are assigned "free roles" where they have no defensive obligations.
Patterns of play can also refer to the type of passes used. LC used lots of long balls forward to their front players to create goal scoring opportunities, and in general, long ball is looked down upon. You can have the more direct passing game that Man City tries to employ or the pensive passing game that Arsenal attempt. Teams can try to create overloads on the wings or in central areas by certain types of movements, overlaps, or the vacating of space to draw a defender away to create space for someone else.
This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:09 pm to dsides
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Right but is it the first time a counter attacking team has won the league?
No. Arsenal in 2003/04 and Chelsea 2004/05 were famously counter-attacking, in the sense they were supremely good at it. Chelsea showed the blueprint to winning the league, and it has been emulated to a degree since then. Arsenal of 2003/04 were far more attacking and had lots more possession. Man City also won the league while being a supremely good counter-attacking team.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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Which would have been continuing to do what they were use to. Spurs haven't played in the low block very much all season. While they could easily play it, you could tell they were uncomfortable giving Chelsea that much time and space on the ball.
Absolutely.
When the anxiety is mounting, I'd rather rely on muscle memory than putting our guys in a position where they had to think too much.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:14 pm to crazy4lsu
Great stuff. Thanks. So is the league becoming more defensive minded first? And is that necessarily a bad thing or just evolution of the game.
This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:15 pm to crazy4lsu
The British are notoriously late with their "innovations." The league started to transition to trying to hold possession. The best way to beat a team that tries to hold the ball is to pressure them high, back off if you don't win it, but if you do win it, counter them immediately. Claudio was smart enough to skip the possession nonsense and feast on mediocre "possession" teams.
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