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Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:24 pm to cwil177
Also, crazy, what is the low block? Nice post btw
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:29 pm to dsides
No, the league always had teams that were defensive minded. But with the possession game being revolutionized since 2005, you also see teams adapting. The English managers haven't really adapted. It's been mostly foreign managers who've brought in the new ideas. Teams defend thinking about the overloads everywhere on the pitch, not just at the back. In the old days, if your opponent played a 4-4-2, you would play a 3-5-2 to keep a spare man at the back, and have a spare man at midfield. Jose came in and played a 4-3-3 which he deployed in a low block. Suddenly you had three players high up the pitch if the ball was won instead of two. So the 3 man back lines disappeared even if teams deployed two strikers. The mismatch came in the center of the field, where you wanted 3 midfielders to match 3 midfielders. Once that happened you wanted fullbacks that were basically like central midfielders except with crossing ability and the ability to link with their winger to create overloads.
As hendersonhands noted, English teams are trying to develop a possession game, which leads to a lot of shitty possession teams who can't really hold the ball. LC took advantage of this, as well as the fact that Man U didn't progress despite it looking like they would, and Chelsea regressing.
So it is not good or bad for the league, it is just the way things go. The level of attacking play isn't very high though. Teams aren't as direct now but they don't know what to do with the ball when they get it.
As hendersonhands noted, English teams are trying to develop a possession game, which leads to a lot of shitty possession teams who can't really hold the ball. LC took advantage of this, as well as the fact that Man U didn't progress despite it looking like they would, and Chelsea regressing.
So it is not good or bad for the league, it is just the way things go. The level of attacking play isn't very high though. Teams aren't as direct now but they don't know what to do with the ball when they get it.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:33 pm to cwil177
Basically the low block is when a team has very little space between its defensive line and its goalkeeper. When you see teams drop off the halfway line and have their forwards there pressing the other teams CBs, they are usually in the low block set. The high block is when most of the team is in the opposition half trying to win the ball back to create an easy opportunity. The medium block is in-between the two.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:45 pm to crazy4lsu
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eague always had teams that were defensive minded. But with the possession game being revolutionized since 2005, y
How has the possession game been revolutionalized since 2005?
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:47 pm to crazy4lsu
So what's the advantage to high block vs low block? Wouldn't running a low block leave more space in front of the defense for a quick counter attack?
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:49 pm to dsides
The change in the offside law which meant a player previously in an offside position was onside as long as the ball wasn't intended for him. It meant teams dropped deeper in order to prevent balls over the top, which opened space in front of goal, which allowed the possession game to flourish.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:49 pm to dsides
Barcelona and Spain basically ran a train on the world for a 5 or so year stretch by keeping possession at an 80% rate.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:52 pm to crazy4lsu
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The change in the offside law which meant a player previously in an offside position was onside as long as the ball wasn't intended for him. It meant teams dropped deeper in order to prevent balls over the top, which opened space in front of goal, which allowed the possession game to flourish.
If the player was offside but out of the play why would a defense adjust so much that it would improve the other team's possession?
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:54 pm to crazy4lsu
The False 9, a nightmare for every British commentator.
"Barceloner are a great team but what they need to do is get a true number 9 in there and hit more crosses."
"Barceloner are a great team but what they need to do is get a true number 9 in there and hit more crosses."
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:54 pm to cwil177
High block compresses the field, making it likely you will win the ball back but also leave a ton of space behind the defense. Think Per every time he's up the field. We are in a suicidal high block, or the high press as it is commonly known.
The low block allows you to keep the game in front of you. Your wingers are high up the field, so if you win the ball back you can spread the ball quickly to the wings to create scoring opportunities. The low block is often what we see referred to as "two banks of four." You want each defensive line to cover the width of the penalty box, where you can easily switch to whatever side of the field the ball is on. You would cede lots of space to the opposition, but the idea is that they won't be able to penetrate between your defensive lines, and thus won't be able to take advantage of any 1 v 1 opportunities. With good triangular movement, you can take teams apart, especially with a third runner, a player who completes the triangle as it were. The quickest example I can think of is Aaron Ramsey's goal against Man City in the friendly in Finland from a couple of years ago. There are many more examples.
So the low block is the least likely to expose you to a counter-attack. It's the most structurally solid.
The low block allows you to keep the game in front of you. Your wingers are high up the field, so if you win the ball back you can spread the ball quickly to the wings to create scoring opportunities. The low block is often what we see referred to as "two banks of four." You want each defensive line to cover the width of the penalty box, where you can easily switch to whatever side of the field the ball is on. You would cede lots of space to the opposition, but the idea is that they won't be able to penetrate between your defensive lines, and thus won't be able to take advantage of any 1 v 1 opportunities. With good triangular movement, you can take teams apart, especially with a third runner, a player who completes the triangle as it were. The quickest example I can think of is Aaron Ramsey's goal against Man City in the friendly in Finland from a couple of years ago. There are many more examples.
So the low block is the least likely to expose you to a counter-attack. It's the most structurally solid.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:55 pm to hendersonshands
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Spurs did go in the history books tonight by hendersonshands
Barcelona and Spain basically ran a train on the world for a 5 or so year stretch by keeping possession at an 80% rate.
Which had me confused when I read LC was first team to ever win epl with less than 50% possession. Not sure what to make of it.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 6:57 pm to dsides
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Not sure what to make of it.
Not really anything earth shattering. British teams with some shite midfielders are doing their best Xavi impression. The smart thing to do is to turn up the heat and try to win the ball off of an errant touch to turn defense into attack right away.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 7:03 pm to dsides
It is slightly hard to explain. A player who is behind the defensive line but not offside because he is not part of the play can easily become part of the play if a ball is hit over the top to another player who squares the ball to him. In effect he is only offside with respect to where the ball is played.
It is a minute difference but teams reacted by playing deep so as to ensure no ball played over the top would result in an easy goal-scoring chance. Since they played deep (before teams like Arsenal played very high up the field, nearly all the attacking teams did, as it limited the space afforded the opposition), they created space in front of them rather than behind them.
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The link above explains it better than I can.
It is a minute difference but teams reacted by playing deep so as to ensure no ball played over the top would result in an easy goal-scoring chance. Since they played deep (before teams like Arsenal played very high up the field, nearly all the attacking teams did, as it limited the space afforded the opposition), they created space in front of them rather than behind them.
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The link above explains it better than I can.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 7:04 pm to hendersonshands
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"Barceloner are a great team but what they need to do is get a true number 9 in there and hit more crosses."
The number 9, the solution to every problem. We might as well make a commentator drinking game. "It was always going over."
Posted on 5/2/16 at 7:18 pm to crazy4lsu
Not sure what Arsene sees in the high block honestly. We could be a great counter attacking team that possesses when appropriate. Low block seems much more suited to Per's slow arse.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 7:23 pm to cwil177
Yeah that's what I've been saying. He does the high press because he wants us to win the ball back quickly. The low block would suit everyone, from Walcott, Alexis, and Ozil to Ramsey and Welbeck. Giroud can frick off though.
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