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re: Should Rapinoe continue to receive USWNT call ups?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:21 am to FunkasaurusReb
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:21 am to FunkasaurusReb
Conduct detrimental to the team......a coach's favorite suspension tactic and in every single bylaws for every single entity out there. Sounds like this needs to be applied.
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Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:34 pm to FunkasaurusReb
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If this wasn't part of a movement then no one would really be talking about it
That's the crux of the entire problem, isn't it? Folks choosing to "voice" their distaste during one of our nation's symbols? It's an atrocious gesture.
Players are kneeling to demonstrate their distaste for their perceived inequalities and oppression "perpetuated" by the United States. Kneeling during the anthem. It's a big middle finger to the anthem, ergo our country.
Dude, disagree with whatever people, groups, organizations, and factions of Americans you want. You disagree with the police and their tactics? Cool. That's your prerogative. Our country and it's laws/freedom grant you that ability. You want to effect change on the homefront, go for it. Volunteer. Donate. Get out and be proactive. But you start to shite on our country and its symbols, forget it. It will only cause a divide.
I don't always love the way our country operates and I sure as hell don't always love the way our citizens act, but I'll always support the red, white, and blue.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:50 pm to gallagherkck
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Dude, disagree with whatever people, groups, organizations, and factions of Americans you want. You disagree with the police and their tactics? Cool. That's your prerogative. Our country and it's laws/freedom grant you that ability. You want to effect change on the homefront, go for it. Volunteer. Donate. Get out and be proactive. But you start to shite on our country and its symbols, forget it. It will only cause a divide.
I actually think its a very effective way of bringing their cause to the for front of the news/media. I see nothing wrong with it. I know I'm in the minority here that believe in personal freedoms over symbolic protection. I think it shows more patriotism to support Americans over a flag and song.
I wouldn't kneel during the anthem, but would fully support any team mate that feels the need to do so.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:54 pm to FunkasaurusReb
Except that there is NO conversation about the change she and others are wanting. All we are talking about is who will protest and how. If all you are talking about is the protest itself, then the protest really is a pointless waste of time.
Fine if they want to do it, but in my view it's accomplishing absolutely nothing.
Fine if they want to do it, but in my view it's accomplishing absolutely nothing.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:57 pm to BraveTiger225
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Fine if they want to do it, but in my view it's accomplishing absolutely nothing.
It's good for making the news, but yea the problem now is how do you translate it into actual change. I don't know the answer to that, but I'm hoping someone does.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 4:01 pm to FunkasaurusReb
Hope solo was punished for words, it seems stupid to not punish this lesbian for her actions
Posted on 9/20/16 at 4:05 pm to heartbreakTiger
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Hope solo was punished for words, it seems stupid to not punish this lesbian for her actions
Let's be fair here. Hope Solo's crap was willing to be overlooked, as long as she was in her prime, and any news was good news for the USWNT.
The writing was on the wall for Solo after we got bounced from the olympics, and not only did she come out and sound like an idiot to an ex coach, but she's not in the plans for the next WC.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 9/20/16 at 4:10 pm to FunkasaurusReb
She did get a lot of rope but they let her go over embarrassing words. I think this is pretty close on the embarrassing front but then again its women's soccer
Posted on 9/20/16 at 4:18 pm to heartbreakTiger
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I think this is pretty close on the embarrassing front but then again its women's soccer
I don't find what Rapinoe did embarrassing, and it doesn't sound like her team, or US Soccer find it embarrassing. It's embarrassing that we still need to be addressing the issue of black americans being targeted by police. Slavery has ended a long time ago, and we as a society, have not properly integrated them to the level of whites.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 4:31 pm to FunkasaurusReb
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I actually think its a very effective way of bringing their cause to the for front of the news/media. I see nothing wrong with it. I know I'm in the minority here that believe in personal freedoms over symbolic protection. I think it shows more patriotism to support Americans over a flag and song. I wouldn't kneel during the anthem, but would fully support any team mate that feels the need to do so.
This is such a hollow comment and one that keeps getting thrown around by the media in defense of the people that protest the anthem. It's a strawman argument that is trying to make the other side into lunatics that want these people arrested. Nobody is arguing to take away her personal freedom. She can kneel all she wants, but there may be consequences. She doesn't have the inalienable right to play for the USWNT. She is a player that is past her prime, has become a distraction, and no longer feels pride in her country. Well, the team should do her a favor and not call her up anymore. She won't have to represent such a terrible country anymore.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 9/20/16 at 11:55 pm to FunkasaurusReb
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I know I'm in the minority here that believe in personal freedoms over symbolic protection
You realize those two things are tied together, right? Your personal freedoms and those symbols?
Without those symbols (i.e. what the symbols represent), your personal freedoms in all likelihood don't exist.
I highly doubt anyone is saying Rapinoe shouldn't press for social reform and justice. But it's her method. And Kaepernick's method. It's insane.
Where's the line? What is unacceptable? Would people finally say "that's too far" if someone burned or literally shat on the American flag, claiming they're standing up for social injustices?
It feels far too much like the end justifies the means with all of this, and that's a dangerous road to traverse.
This post was edited on 9/21/16 at 12:12 am
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:39 pm to gallagherkck
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I can't fathom how in her mind she doesn't see an issue with it. "I'll kneel for my country's national anthem, but I'll don this shirt, crest, and colors, which represent my country."
If she really wants to make a statement she should quit the team and say she can no longer represent such a terrible country on the world stage.
She would still look stupid for waiting until after the major tournaments, but at least she would be making a sacrifice. It would lower her profile.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 12:46 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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If she really wants to make a statement she should quit the team and say she can no longer represent such a terrible country on the world stage.
Exactly. At least she wouldn't look hypocritical.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 6:58 pm to gallagherkck
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You realize those two things are tied together, right? Your personal freedoms and those symbols?
Without those symbols (i.e. what the symbols represent), your personal freedoms in all likelihood don't exist.
You're the second person to imply that a piece of cloth is the same as the rights of citizens. It's just a stupid ridiculous argument.
"If she really wants to make a statement she should quit the team and say she can no longer represent such a terrible country on the world stage. "
I don't understand why people think what she did was unpatriotic. If anything it's more patriotic to speak up and want whats best for a country, then to burry your head in the sand and pretend whats happening to citizens is just fine.
Posted on 9/21/16 at 10:32 pm to FunkasaurusReb
perpetuaitng racial division isn't "what's best for the country"
beyond that, why would we look to someone like Rapinoe for guidance? 95% of the country's population probably didn't know her name 2 weeks ago. not to mention, her stunt isn't original.
beyond that, why would we look to someone like Rapinoe for guidance? 95% of the country's population probably didn't know her name 2 weeks ago. not to mention, her stunt isn't original.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 9:50 am to FunkasaurusReb
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You're the second person to imply that a piece of cloth is the same as the rights of citizens
Funk,
If you can't see how the rights of United States citizens and that piece of cloth are immeasurably intertwined, then that depresses me.
That piece of cloth represents the country which grants you those rights. Humans are born with inalienable rights, but those rights are not respected/protected everywhere across the world. There are plenty of examples out there. All you need to do is read the history of the American colonies.
So when someone disrespects a symbol of the country which, while not perfect, is pretty damn good, people are going to get upset.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:07 am to FunkasaurusReb
I pretty much agree with that.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:38 am to gallagherkck
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So when someone disrespects a symbol of the country which, while not perfect, is pretty damn good, people are going to get upset.
Get upset. That's the point.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 10:44 am to gallagherkck
The flag can represent the rights but it does not grant the rights. Its meaning is simply what you choose to assign to it. To each their own in my view.
This post was edited on 9/22/16 at 10:59 am
Posted on 9/22/16 at 12:24 pm to Stewie Griffin
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Get upset. That's the point
Make me upset so I'll lend my support?
It appears I'm in the minority here on this board with this issue because actions like this don't influence me in a positive manner.
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