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Question regarding US national Team
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 12/4/22 at 10:49 pm
Say you give someone with coaching experience 4 years to go around the US and find the 11 best soccer players, do you think this person could find 11 players that would be able to beat the us men’s team in a friendly.
I’m just not convinced again that those were our 11 best soccer players in the US as usual with our national team. Like something isn’t working, and hasn’t worked for quite some time.
I’m just not convinced again that those were our 11 best soccer players in the US as usual with our national team. Like something isn’t working, and hasn’t worked for quite some time.
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Posted on 12/4/22 at 11:02 pm to lsutigers23
RA’ed for trolling. What a dumb fricking thread.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 11:14 pm to lionward2014
I mean I don’t agree with his point that they aren’t the 11 best players, because I’d wager probably 6/11 starters are the best in the US at their position, but to his point I will say if you could find 11 guys to play and train together every day for four years they’d beat this team even with inferior talent at those 6 spots lol
Posted on 12/4/22 at 11:29 pm to lsutigers23
News flash, the world has a 100 year head start on us when it comes to giving a shite about soccer, and we have some catching up to do.
To answer the OP’s question, no you can’t take randos and train them to be better than full pros. Honestly the question doesn’t make sense because you would be picking maybe a second choice lineup for the USMNT if you were choosing from all pro players, and one would expect them to lose to the first choice lineup most times.
To answer the OP’s question, no you can’t take randos and train them to be better than full pros. Honestly the question doesn’t make sense because you would be picking maybe a second choice lineup for the USMNT if you were choosing from all pro players, and one would expect them to lose to the first choice lineup most times.
Posted on 12/4/22 at 11:32 pm to lsutigers23
What the actual frick is this?
Posted on 12/5/22 at 5:59 am to Broski
USA soccer is a joke, I guarantee much more talented players quit playing because they are unnoticed are didn’t come up in the USA system
Posted on 12/5/22 at 6:26 am to lsutigers23
If they are allowed to pick from the other major sports then yes. Imagine if the likes of Lebron and the Gronk concentrated on Soccer? We would be the dominant force and regularly win world cups.
We produce the best athletes but they choose to go down other paths. Other countries have soccer and nothing else so their best athletes all choose soccer.
We produce the best athletes but they choose to go down other paths. Other countries have soccer and nothing else so their best athletes all choose soccer.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 6:32 am to Mike Joyce
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If they are allowed to pick from the other major sports then yes. Imagine if the likes of Lebron and the Gronk concentrated on Soccer? We would be the dominant force and regularly win world cups.
Nah. You guys keep thinking that athleticism in one sport directly translates to skill in another. It doesn't work that way.
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We produce the best athletes but they choose to go down other paths. Other countries have soccer and nothing else so their best athletes all choose soccer.
We regularly put out teams that are big, fast, and strong, much bigger, faster, and stronger than even European opposition. The quality of athlete isn't the problem. The problem is that we still aren't on the technical level. Imagining a 6'8 dude could suddenly dribble a soccer ball at an elite level isn't relevant, because technique is far more important than athleticism in soccer.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 6:44 am to Mike Joyce
quote:Are they going to send all of those players back in time to do nothing but train for soccer from the time they were like 9 years old?
If they are allowed to pick from the other major sports then yes. Imagine if the likes of Lebron and the Gronk concentrated on Soccer? We would be the dominant force and regularly win world cups.
We produce the best athletes but they choose to go down other paths. Other countries have soccer and nothing else so their best athletes all choose soccer.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 8:09 am to MOT
Not sure how it is now but back in the day the rec or travel team players would destroy most of the doctors kid who played on the ODP teams
Posted on 12/5/22 at 8:59 am to lsutigers23
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I guarantee much more talented players quit playing because they are unnoticed are didn’t come up in the USA system
I don’t know why this is getting downvoted so hard, but maybe it comes down to the definition of the word talent.
I think it’s certainly true that there are lots of kids out there who would be national team caliber players one day who go unnoticed at a young age and quit soccer for other sports and that this happens in America at a much higher rate than it does in any of the countries who do well at the World Cup.
I think it takes a relatively rare combination of circumstances here for a kid to have an actual chance to become a world-class soccer player.
On the contrary, it takes a relatively rare set of circumstances in other countries for a kid who could be world class to be missed and go undeveloped.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:15 am to Mike Joyce
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If they are allowed to pick from the other major sports then yes. Imagine if the likes of Lebron and the Gronk concentrated on Soccer? We would be the dominant force and regularly win world cups. We produce the best athletes but they choose to go down other paths. Other countries have soccer and nothing else so their best athletes all choose soccer.
We’re gunna have to sticky a thread with the soccer bros explanation on the top of this board for World Cup time.
As someone said, it’s being technically gifted and knowing where to play the ball and where to go when the ball is in a certain area. Mix that with speed, agility, and a little strength. Oh and you need to be able to run all day long. 6’5 280lbs makes it really hard to run for an hour and a half or longer.
Look up the best players physical attributes. There is a reason none of them are 6,5 physical freaks of nature. In soccer speed is much more important than strength at just ab every position. Even Ronaldo who is about the peak physical specimen of the game. 6’1 180 lbs.
All in all you can’t pick 11 freak athletes and win at this level…really any competitive level. More technically gifted, quick, tactically smart players win every time.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:17 am to RebelVol
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I mean I don’t agree with his point that they aren’t the 11 best players, because I’d wager probably 6/11 starters are the best in the US at their position, but to his point I will say if you could find 11 guys to play and train together every day for four years they’d beat this team even with inferior talent at those 6 spots lol
This makes about as little sense as the OP. Specifically what players/people are better than the 11 we were fielding? Richards, Dike, and Robinson maybe have a case but they were hurt. Pepi is one that has a case. Guess if you consider Gio sitting on the bench that is one.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:18 am to lsutigers23
You watch too many movies hoss.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:30 am to Robin Masters
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You watch too many movies hoss.
Didn’t realize it but it legit sounds like a bad movie
David vs Goliath meets rags to riches story. The forgotten 11 beats the us National team with no basis in reality
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:43 am to patchesohoulihan_007
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Didn’t realize it but it legit sounds like a bad movie
At first reluctant grizzled white coach finally agrees to take the job on the condition they do it “his way” goes to the inner cities rescuing black and Latin young men from social demise symbolically delivering them from cultural barbarism into modern civilization.
Sub plot revolves around tension between the white prep loosing up and embracing vibrant and soulful Latino /black culture.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 9:50 am to crazy4lsu
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You guys keep thinking that athleticism in one sport directly translates to skill in another. It doesn't work that way.
it's wild. Giannis wanted to be a soccer player but it just isn't a sport that lends itself to 7 footers. 99% of the game is played on the ground. Tall people take longer to develop their “tool kit”: motor coordination (gross and fine), body awareness, skills, etc.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:13 am to Mike Joyce
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Imagine if the likes of Lebron and the Gronk concentrated on Soccer? We would be the dominant force and regularly win world cups.
Why? How does basketball and football hand-eye coordination translate to technical ability with the feet and vision/range for passing and touch?
Strength is something to be utilized for sure, but it's very low on the list of important soccer skillsets.
Posted on 12/5/22 at 10:14 am to Robin Masters
Ted Lasso meets Coach Carter meets The Big Green
Posted on 12/5/22 at 1:33 pm to lionward2014
quote:Pefok, Sargent, Dike, the list goes on are all better than Ferreira.
This makes about as little sense as the OP. Specifically what players/people are better than the 11 we were fielding? Richards, Dike, and Robinson maybe have a case but they were hurt. Pepi is one that has a case. Guess if you consider Gio sitting on the bench that is one
Reyna and Aaronson should be starters. Even if that means you have to sacrifice one of the midfield trio to fit Reyna in. I know Weah is great, but Aaronson not starting for us was criminal. He’s been class this season at Leeds. That’s 3.
Chris Richards > Zimmerman.
Sure Dest is ok at rb but he’s arse on defense. He has played 90 minutes for Milan once this season. Scally is playing consistent 80+ minutes every week for a top half bundesliga club. That’s 5 players that should’ve been playing
although I do understand that Richards is injured and unavailable. My point still stands. That wasn’t our best xi 
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