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re: New U.S. youth soccer Player Development Initiatives
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:27 pm to okietiger13
Posted on 8/9/17 at 3:27 pm to okietiger13
Baton Rouge Soccer Club started some of these changes with their Academy program 4-5 years ago when Adam came onboard. They are all about small sides games, group training and the absence of teams and promoting touches on the ball. It has been very effective.
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Posted on 8/10/17 at 8:05 pm to okietiger13
Started this last year in Iowa. At first was hesitant. But eliminating athletasism and speed and encouraging ball control am very pleased. A couple kids parents that could out run everyone but lacked touch suffered so parents moved them up an age group to bigger fields.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:51 am to Bill Parker?
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I have a 12 year old that is playing in U15 this year. I would prefer that he play on age.
This will actually make your kid a better player. I found that people who had played up a year in club soccer were much better players.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 9:43 am to Bill Parker?
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The shift to playing in birth year hurts smaller areas that do not have a lot of kids in developmental programs, as some age groups fail to form teams.
Your fears are unfounded, friend. There is no read to worry. From another US Soccer article:
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Some clubs may use mixed age group teams such as a combined U-11/U-12 team. For younger age groups, where RAE may be more prominent, more than one team could be created for each birth year. Players also still have the option to play up in older age groups, if they need stronger competition.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:38 am to DoreonthePlains
Those 2 comments above are correct for my kid -- he's big for his age, his ball skills are very good, and he is aggressive on the field. He will be fine competing with older kids.
The drawback is for those kids who are not on his skill level. They are being thrown into an age group above their level, and more kids will drop out of the sport as a result. This goes against any form of development for the sport for those towns that cannot support teams in each age group.
The drawback is for those kids who are not on his skill level. They are being thrown into an age group above their level, and more kids will drop out of the sport as a result. This goes against any form of development for the sport for those towns that cannot support teams in each age group.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:06 pm to Bill Parker?
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The drawback is for those kids who are not on his skill level. They are being thrown into an age group above their level, and more kids will drop out of the sport as a result. This goes against any form of development for the sport for those towns that cannot support teams in each age group.
They simply moved from a "school year" to "calendar year" system of determining player "age". At most a player lost 5 months.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:11 pm to DoreonthePlains
quote:The players it hurts most are seniors in high school if they're born later in the calendar year. Most of the kids from their birth year have graduated hs and no longer play club soccer. Lots of these kids are being left with no club team to play on, and they still have their senior year of high school soccer ahead of them. That's a shame but not sure there's anything that can be done about it.
They simply moved from a "school year" to "calendar year" system of determining player "age". At most a player lost 5 months.
quote:I'm not sure what you mean by this??
At most a player lost 5 months.
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 8/14/17 at 12:28 pm to DoreonthePlains
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The drawback is for those kids who are not on his skill level. They are being thrown into an age group above their level, and more kids will drop out of the sport as a result. This goes against any form of development for the sport for those towns that cannot support teams in each age group.
They simply moved from a "school year" to "calendar year" system of determining player "age". At most a player lost 5 months.
True for the change in the new initiatives, but my point is that these new initiatives are bad for smaller areas with fewer kids in the sport (and, obviously, the issue that we are dealing with in our league.)
See my earlier post regarding numbers.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 1:45 pm to The Mick
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Lots of these kids are being left with no club team to play on, and they still have their senior year of high school soccer ahead of them. That's a shame but not sure there's anything that can be done about it.
For US Soccer, I hate to say it, but those kids just don't matter. Any senior in high school that will contribute to US Soccer is almost certainly playing for the youth teams of a professional club or on an NPSL or PDL team.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:19 pm to DoreonthePlains
quote:I agree.
For US Soccer, I hate to say it, but those kids just don't matter. Any senior in high school that will contribute to US Soccer is almost certainly playing for the youth teams of a professional club or on an NPSL or PDL team.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:32 pm to The Mick
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For US Soccer, I hate to say it, but those kids just don't matter. Any senior in high school that will contribute to US Soccer is almost certainly playing for the youth teams of a professional club or on an NPSL or PDL team.
I agree.
Excellent point... yet they are enacting new rules that affect an untold number of kids.
I understand that those making decisions think that this will result in a stronger national team. But how many kids turn into players on the national team? Likewise, how many seniors in HS will be forced to sit out from their local league?
Seems a bit short-sighted.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 2:41 pm to Bill Parker?
quote:Most other states and certainly US Soccer have done it by calendar year all along. Louisiana and couple other states were just forced to comply starting last year. It has been a big adjustment to say the least.
I understand that those making decisions think that this will result in a stronger national team. But how many kids turn into players on the national team? Likewise, how many seniors in HS will be forced to sit out from their local league?
Seems a bit short-sighted.
Posted on 8/14/17 at 6:22 pm to wickowick
We did a camp with BRSC this year and my boy loved the action it provided. He wants to play possession, but it's tough when the defensive players aren't up to snuff with control and the offensive players never drop it back.
Speed is always good in soccer, but vision is even better.
Speed is always good in soccer, but vision is even better.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 1:11 pm to DoreonthePlains
Reviving an old topic.
Ran across this in a summary from US Soccer:
"Those players who will skip an age group based on their year of birth will not miss a whole year of playing as they will get that year back playing U18/U19 which the league has now added."
At least they had the foresight to cover those kids with late birthdays.
But, I go back to my original comment -- those leagues that are impacted by the change to birth year are forced to combine age groups because of numbers, and it appears that it is happening with larger leagues as well.
To make a point, my kid and a few others will play in the U18/19 age group for three years (they will be 15 years old when they start U18/19.) The stronger players will most likely benefit from going against older players, but very unfortunate for the less skilled and smaller kids in that group.
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Lots of these kids are being left with no club team to play on, and they still have their senior year of high school soccer ahead of them. That's a shame but not sure there's anything that can be done about it.
For US Soccer, I hate to say it, but those kids just don't matter. Any senior in high school that will contribute to US Soccer is almost certainly playing for the youth teams of a professional club or on an NPSL or PDL team.
Ran across this in a summary from US Soccer:
"Those players who will skip an age group based on their year of birth will not miss a whole year of playing as they will get that year back playing U18/U19 which the league has now added."
At least they had the foresight to cover those kids with late birthdays.
But, I go back to my original comment -- those leagues that are impacted by the change to birth year are forced to combine age groups because of numbers, and it appears that it is happening with larger leagues as well.
To make a point, my kid and a few others will play in the U18/19 age group for three years (they will be 15 years old when they start U18/19.) The stronger players will most likely benefit from going against older players, but very unfortunate for the less skilled and smaller kids in that group.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 3:08 pm to Bill Parker?
quote:Yes but most U19's have graduated high school and are freshmen in college. Those kids arent coming back to play club soccer.
"Those players who will skip an age group based on their year of birth will not miss a whole year of playing as they will get that year back playing U18/U19 which the league has now added."
Posted on 8/22/17 at 3:38 pm to Gaston
Posted on 8/23/17 at 9:21 am to pvilleguru
Not a fan of the GK bit. As a GK coach I taught them distribution and decision making using the punt. We didn't whack it up the field. I like the idea of building out the back but the decision making and coaching is incredibly important. At RIII ODP a few years back the GKs were rolling the ball into an outside back who was immediately under pressure during the game because they were trained to do so in training. They were not given cues to look for on why to throw vs punt.
Posted on 8/24/17 at 2:20 am to keeper007
Agreed. Best decision is the most penetrating open option. Why teach possession without a purpose?
If the best option is a 2 or 3 then great, but if it's a 7 or 11 then go for it. Those same decisions can and should be taught at younger levels. (Albeit on a smaller scale) If they lose possession then that's how you learn and teach.
If the best option is a 2 or 3 then great, but if it's a 7 or 11 then go for it. Those same decisions can and should be taught at younger levels. (Albeit on a smaller scale) If they lose possession then that's how you learn and teach.
Posted on 8/24/17 at 9:14 pm to DoreonthePlains
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For US Soccer, I hate to say it, but those kids just don't matter. Any senior in high school that will contribute to US Soccer is almost certainly playing for the youth teams of a professional club or on an NPSL or PDL team.
Not so fast...you are assuming the the staffs at any level in the US knows how to properly evaluate talent. In short, I think that Mr. Tall and athletic or Mr. Dribblefest is who seems to make up a good portion of our professional squads...at every level. Honestly, the best players in these leagues seem to be foreign born. I would wager that's because they were actually taught the game in a different manner than here. Even our National team is pretty much shite if you remove our players that have played, or currently play, in Europe. This new system is a drastic departure but it seems like the only way to keep "coaches" and "managers" in the US from kicking the next Messi to the curb because he is too small and actually passes. Just my .02.
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