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re: Michael Bradley's performance versus Germany compared to France's midfielders
Posted on 7/7/14 at 5:51 pm to SUB
Posted on 7/7/14 at 5:51 pm to SUB
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You really consider Bradley to be above average? I'm comparing him to all midfielders in the WC.
If I took the time to look over the entire midfield rosters of 32 teams (let's say around 200 players not including attacking wingers) in the WC then I'd guess that Bradley would probably fall around the middle of the pack.
By that measure I suppose you could say "average" however Bradley being "average" out of a field that includes probably 80% of the best midfielders in the world doesn't exactly shore up your argument.
Furthermore, that he (along with maybe Fabian Johnson and Jones a bit further down though he played better) are probably the only USA field players that would rank anywhere near this highly means that he's asked to do what the world's absolute elite superstars do for their teams with a lot less quality around him.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 5:57 pm
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Posted on 7/7/14 at 5:58 pm to wm72
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If I took the time to look over the entire midfield rosters of 32 teams (let's say around 200 players not including attacking wingers) in the WC then I'd guess that Bradley would probably fall around the middle of the pack.
No way he's middle of the pack if you include all the backups.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 6:12 pm to ohiovol
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No way he's middle of the pack if you include all the backups.
You're probably that he'd be a bit higher thinking about some teams with very good midfields but not great depth like Switzerland, Bosnia, Croatia. . . I'd originally thought about 80 or so out of 200.
There are though also 8-9 teams for which I doubt he'd (or know he wouldn't) make the roster.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 6:27 pm to hendersonshands
what would be his passes and accuracy count if they removed all the passes he where he just tapped it right back to the guy who passed him the ball.(not a run)
Posted on 7/7/14 at 6:30 pm to Iona Fan Man
Read the thread.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 6:44 pm to Broski
I never said Bradley loses the ball all the time. I was only commenting on another post.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 6:57 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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pogba - 12 of 12 backward, 5 of 6 square, dispossessed twice on take-ons
bradley v germany - 18 of 18 backward, 10 of 10 square
where are these stats? Bradley wasn't dispossessed at all?...what do they consider a dispossess?
like this?
a bit pissed off there hasn't been a collection of MB frick-up gifs
easy to watch each match, flag, then gif those few secs later in an homage to suckage
Posted on 7/7/14 at 7:11 pm to Iona Fan Man
Uh, he wasn't dispossessed there. That was a 50/50 ball that he lost. Really it was like 70/30 in his favor and he shouldn't have lost, but he did. It all started with a bad touch, but no, he wasn't dispossessed.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 7:18 pm to Iona Fan Man
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a bit pissed off there hasn't been a collection of MB frick-up gifs
It wouldn't be a very long gif. Despite your best wishes he really didn't have as bad of a World Cup as you think he did.
I guess you could put every tackle or touch that he lost, but I would be very surprised if he is statistically middle or upper half of the CM in the World Cup on give aways.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 7:26 pm to FunkasaurusReb
The problem here is that many posters tout(ed) MB as the USMNT's best player. That's arguable. I would say he's certainly the most important (outfield) player. That's not arguable. What has happened is people who don't really understand his role, or understand he wasn't playing the role he traditionally has, don't really "get it". MB is not going to wow you, most of the time. He gets by on grit and doing the dirty work. To posters like Kash, who are not familiar with the game, they don't understand that much of the good he does goes unnoticed unless you really know what you're watching.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 7:34 pm to Iona Fan Man
opta. four four two stats zone site.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 7:48 pm to Iona Fan Man
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what would be his passes and accuracy count if they removed all the passes he where he just tapped it right back to the guy who passed him the ball.(
Why would this even matter? This is a part of every midfielders game. You can't just get the ball and play a through in every time.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 7:58 pm to rdw1690
It's like the parents at a YMCA U-10 game.
"KICK IT UP THE FIELD JOHNNY!"
"KICK IT UP THE FIELD JOHNNY!"
Posted on 7/7/14 at 7:59 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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I would say he's certainly the most important (outfield) player.
Which is why it matters that he was not nearly at his best in the World Cup.
Hating on him is an overreaction to his play, but y'all are overcompensating by pretending he didn't struggle a bit and that it didn't hurt our performance.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:01 pm to uway
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pretending he didn't struggle a bit and that it didn't hurt our performance.
Who is? Not me.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:30 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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opta. four four two stats zone site.
well frick that site, hard as frick to navigate, but I found what I was looking for
Here is the center mid for France Cabaye v. Ger
here is Michael Badley....v. Ger
1. Badley, wasn't in the defensive third....he would post up outside the box,above the key...and hover there, not challenging. As you can see, his passes originate from the defensive mid, back to the fullbacks.
2. he created NOTHING...for an Offensive Mid...he had THREE successful FORWARD passes in the offensive third...look at all the momentum killing backwards passes....because he has no real offensive touch on the ball.
3. Interceptions- Francy dude, intercepted 4 passes, at both ends of the field...Badley just wears a Fit-Bit to log his lackadaisical jogging time...he doesn't challenge or create...just steps
4. more of the same- failed tackles in the middle of the field...he's slow as shite, and was a defensive liability
5. his pass accuracy is high because the harder passes to create are offensive in the opponents territory....but his passes really had no shot as they were just wasted long balls....and more momentum killing allowing the Germans to methodically stroll down field....they'd hold the ball for 5 mins, then as soon as we get possession, Bradley kicks it down field, starting another 5 min no possession cycle
Bradley was real garbage, it's that simple
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Possession Germany 67% USA 33%
Possession Germany50% France 50%
anything else?
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 8:52 pm to Iona Fan Man
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Badley just wears a Fit-Bit to log his lackadaisical jogging time...
All players wear them, dumbass.
quote:
he doesn't challenge or create
Based on the only 4 games you've probably even seen him play? OK.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:16 pm to thesoccerfanjax
USA vs Ghana game 1
mid versus mid....who was more offensive?
successful tackles, chances created?
sulley
badley
offensive mid-fielder....has TWO successful forward passes, and both of those are to the side
sulley makes 1.8 million, badley makes 6 million
so "moneywise" bradley would project to be a better player....do you see that?
mid versus mid....who was more offensive?
successful tackles, chances created?
sulley
badley
offensive mid-fielder....has TWO successful forward passes, and both of those are to the side
sulley makes 1.8 million, badley makes 6 million
so "moneywise" bradley would project to be a better player....do you see that?
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:19 pm to Iona Fan Man
4 games and you are all knowing about Michael Bradley.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 9:21 pm to Iona Fan Man
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offensive mid-fielder....has TWO successful forward passes, and both of those are to the side sulley makes 1.8 million, badley makes 6 million so "moneywise" bradley would project to be a better player....do you see that?
Bradley is not an attacking/offensive mid.
This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 9:28 pm
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