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re: Michael Bradley's performance versus Germany compared to France's midfielders
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:18 pm to SUB
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:18 pm to SUB
That's not what happened at all. Dempsey played it essentially BEHIND Bradley as he makes the run, causing MB to essentially trip over the ball and slow down. It was a God awful pass and he should have led MB a little more.
I seriously don't know why you're even bothering. You're so ignorant it's hilarious. I just don't understand people like you. It's OK to admit you just don't know much about the game. Eat some humble pie and learn a little and post less. You don't see people on the MSB arguing over sports they clearly know nothing about, yet, it happens every God damn day here on the SB. I really don't get it.
I seriously don't know why you're even bothering. You're so ignorant it's hilarious. I just don't understand people like you. It's OK to admit you just don't know much about the game. Eat some humble pie and learn a little and post less. You don't see people on the MSB arguing over sports they clearly know nothing about, yet, it happens every God damn day here on the SB. I really don't get it.
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:19 pm to Stewie Griffin
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Why do people keep asking this like it should be considered with how he played in the WC? I don't care what he did before the WC when I'm talking about how he did at the WC.
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it's likely your expectations of our 'best player' were that he'd score a bunch of goals or have a bunch of assists and flashy plays.
This is really it in a nutshell. I've watched every match Bradley played at Roma and read/listened to the myriad critiques of his game from everyone analyzing AS Roma for a while.
This is the widely agreed upon breakdown of his strengths and weaknesses from experts on his time at Roma:
Strengths:
1) tireless athletic work in breaking up opposing attacking play
2) accurate and very good vision for lofted through balls and long diagonal passes to switch play and start breaks
3) very tidy in short passing recycling possession game and strong on the ball
4) very good but not elite ball winner
5) EDIT: should have also added that he makes very smart off the ball runs into space when not asked to be the primary distributor
Weaknesses:
1) doesn't possess a consistently elite first touch in tight spaces
2) good passer all over the pitch when given time on the ball but often muffs quick paced counter attacking opportunities in the final third
3) tendency to run more than keep sound defensive shape in defensive pressing
Zeman loved his work rate in pressing in the only somewhat controlled chaos of Zeman's press and Bradley's ability to play accurate long diagonals. However, it fit less into the lightning play to feet in tight spaces attacks under Rudi Garcia which also placed a premium on positional discipline.
As an aside, I wish that Bradley wouldn't have gone to Toronto since Zeman was just hired by Cagliari and I'm sure would have taken him in a second. I'd love to watch more of him in that style.
Bradley fit well at Chievo as they needed his ability to break up play and their "attacking" style was more like Chinese Water Torture in that they never risked a turnover by playing the ball quickly into the center of the pitch (which is the reason you see some of Bradley's conservative passing in the videos the Kashonly guy posted).
In short, these pros and cons are pretty much what we got from Bradley in the WC. It was disappointing only insofar as he's capable of matches here and there (especially for the USMNT) where he looked every bit Xabi Alonso or Daniele De Rossi and he didn't have any quite that level in Brazil.
This post was edited on 7/8/14 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:19 pm to SUB
Bradley could have done something with that pass if Dempsey put it out in front of him.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:22 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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That's not what happened at all. Dempsey played it essentially BEHIND Bradley as he makes the run, causing MB to essentially trip over the ball and slow down. It was a God awful pass and he should have led MB a little more.
God awful pass? Are you kidding me?
I know plenty about the game. Enough to know that people in this board set the bar pretty damn low for our players and get giddy when they see Bradley make 2 good passes for every 10 bad ones.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:24 pm to wm72
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Strengths:
1) tireless athletic work in breaking up opposing attacking play
2) accurate and very good vision for lofted through balls and long diagonal passes to switch play and start breaks
3) very tidy in short passing recycling possession game and string on the ball
4) very good but not elite ball winner
Weaknesses:
1) doesn't possess a consistently elite first touch in tight spaces
2) good passer all over the pitch when given time on the ball but often muffs quick paced counter attacking opportunities in the final third
3) tendency to run more than keep sound defensive shape in defensive pressing
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner, from, no surprise, the person who has watched Bradley more than anyone on this board.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:24 pm to wm72
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Strengths:
1) tireless athletic work in breaking up opposing attacking play
2) accurate and very good vision for lofted through balls and long diagonal passes to switch play and start breaks
3) very tidy in short passing recycling possession game and string on the ball
4) very good but not elite ball winner
Weaknesses:
1) doesn't possess a consistently elite first touch in tight spaces
2) good passer all over the pitch when given time on the ball but often muffs quick paced counter attacking opportunities in the final third
3) tendency to run more than keep sound defensive shape in defensive pressing
Spot on.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:24 pm to SUB
Yea. He played it BEHIND Bradley. That's BAD. I mean, it's soccer 101. You LEAD a player making a run.
Everyone is agreeing that it's a bad pass. I mean really, look at who is on your side in this thread and proceed accordingly.
Everyone is agreeing that it's a bad pass. I mean really, look at who is on your side in this thread and proceed accordingly.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:24 pm to wm72
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In short, these pros and cons are pretty much what we got from Bradley in the WC. It was disappointing only insofar as he's capable of matches here and there (especially for the USMNT) where he looked every bit Xavi Alonso or Daniele De Rossi and he didn't have any quite that level in Brazil.
Quoting to make sure everyone reads more than once, because this is a fantastic post.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:38 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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Yea. He played it BEHIND Bradley. That's BAD. I mean, it's soccer 101. You LEAD a player making a run.
Everyone is agreeing that it's a bad pass. I mean really, look at who is on your side in this thread and proceed accordingly.
I'll concede that it wasn't a great pass. But good players also overcome stuff like this. I still believe he had an opportunity there and muffed it. Dempsey is given a similar pass in the Ghana game but uses his skill to overcome it and score. Dempsey also made a lot of mistakes...not trying to say he is perfect either.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:42 pm to Stewie Griffin
While people like to bash the noob opinions.. It's not a good thing when people watching one of their first soccer games are able to say what's wrong with this Bradley guy. People without a soccer background were able to pick him out and say this guy isn't playing well.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:43 pm to SUB
Bradley's pass led to a shot on goal, dumbass. How in the actual frick did he "muff it"? There was no shot to be had by Bradley because by the time he got done gathering Clint's God awful pass, there was a defender right on him, so he passed it off. How fricking stupid are you, son?
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:47 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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There was no shot to be had by Bradley because by the time he got done gathering Clint's God awful pass, there was a defender right on him, so he passed it off. How fricking stupid are you, son?
Calling me stupid when you don't even know what happened? Bradley did not pass the ball. It was poked away from him and luckily it went to Dempsey.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:47 pm to SUB
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Here's an example of Bradley's many derps in the WC. This is in the Belgium game. Dempsey's gives him a great pass and he just can't control the ball.
Eh that's not a derp. That stuff sort happens every game to every player.
Some of you focus so deeply on the particulars that you miss the big picture. Bradley is a classic number 6 who was asked to basically be our no. 10. He's actually one of the best American players ever, regardless of how he played at this WC. Claudio Reyna made a massive mistake in the 06 WC that led to us being knocked out, and honestly didn't have a great tournament. For some of you that would equal him not being one of the best American players ever.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:51 pm to SUB
Try again. Bradley laid it off to Dempsey. Dempsey is the one that squandered that chance with his shitty pass and put MB in that situation to begin with.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:53 pm to thesoccerfanjax
If you actually ever played soccer in an offensive role, it's a players offensive touch that leads to the scoring opportunities. Like a basketball player creates space to take a shot (step back fade, cross-over dibble)...offensive players have an innate ability to create their shot when that close to goal.
ANYONE/EVERYONE who would be in that situation should be able to have touch....something bradly and that pollockski dont have
ANYONE/EVERYONE who would be in that situation should be able to have touch....something bradly and that pollockski dont have
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:55 pm to Iona Fan Man
Exactly.
You're still confused, though. It was Dempsey who misplayed the ball, not Bradley. Bradley made the best of it.
You're still confused, though. It was Dempsey who misplayed the ball, not Bradley. Bradley made the best of it.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 1:59 pm to Iona Fan Man
Neither Ronaldo nor Messi would have been able to do much with that pass. Just accept that it was a shite pass from Dempsey. You can't receive a perpendicular pass like that at your feet.
Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:07 pm to pvilleguru
I'm on phone so I can't link but that German goal vs the US the board striker whatever you call it had to deal with a bad centerbut instantaneously and a neatly drag his back foot to foot it into the goal
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Posted on 7/8/14 at 2:09 pm to pvilleguru
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Here's an example of Bradley's many derps in the WC. This is in the Belgium game. Dempsey's gives him a great pass and he just can't control the ball.
Dude we could cherry pick good and bad touches all day. Nani is one of my favorite examples of this as i saw him take one of the most beautiful first touches in the world from a scholes bomb with the outside of the foot and if you need to see bad touches just go watch the game from the other day.
And to blame him for that pass by dempsey is a little harsh. like the play against portugal. These are hard plays that only the very top players make most every time. MB is not going to be perfect. Remember Ronaldo didn't have that great of a game against the US minus one cross.
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We tie Germany if Jones could control the great pass Bradley gave him in the second half.
This. many of those long red long balls in the graphs weren't terrible passes (and to me were as much of Jones, Dempsey, etc.'s fault as the end of the portugal game was MB's fault).
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