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Klinsmann's next task as USA coach.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:23 am
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:23 am
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Thoughts?
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Until the player development system in the United States receives a major overhaul, the nation of seemingly endless resources and population will continue to fall short of its immense potential at the World Cup. That system, not a lack of talent or one coach at the senior national team level, is what holds the USA back from winning.
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Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:27 am to crazy4lsu
I think he is trying and is making subtle changes that we can't see right now.
You can't just abolish a system and make one on a quick turn around. This will be a lengthy process, one that Jurgen will start but likely won't be with US Soccer when it finally comes to fruition.
You can't just abolish a system and make one on a quick turn around. This will be a lengthy process, one that Jurgen will start but likely won't be with US Soccer when it finally comes to fruition.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:27 am to crazy4lsu
I agree with everything he says. BUT You don't need to abolish the USSYA, with our population and resources, the pay for play model can exist in tandem with an academy (elite prospect) model.
I do agree that a promotion/relegation system has the potential to spark a developmental arms race. Imagine if an entrepreneur in a city like Nashville, New Orleans, Minneapolis, Charlotte, Austin, etc. decides to build an academy with the hopes of promoting a homegrown squad to the MLS. These are cities with an immense amount of local talent, that as of right now, has very little chance of being recognized and developed.
I do agree that a promotion/relegation system has the potential to spark a developmental arms race. Imagine if an entrepreneur in a city like Nashville, New Orleans, Minneapolis, Charlotte, Austin, etc. decides to build an academy with the hopes of promoting a homegrown squad to the MLS. These are cities with an immense amount of local talent, that as of right now, has very little chance of being recognized and developed.
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 11:33 am
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:29 am to crazy4lsu
Good article - seems like progress is being made.
I guess Paul Arriola would be an example of a pro team (Tijuana) coming in signing him to a bigger $$ contract from the LA Galaxy Academy, and in the current setup, LA Galaxy get no compensation for their investment in Arriola's development?
I guess Paul Arriola would be an example of a pro team (Tijuana) coming in signing him to a bigger $$ contract from the LA Galaxy Academy, and in the current setup, LA Galaxy get no compensation for their investment in Arriola's development?
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:32 am to Billy Mays
Why is it that the women's national team can have so much success compared to the men's?
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:33 am to guttata
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Why is it that the women's national team can have so much success compared to the men's?
Because of our population, and the general lack of interest in the rest of the world.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:42 am to Tennessee Jed
Yup, yet the best offensive female player ever is from Brazil. Germany dominates as well.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:45 am to RollTide4Ever
Please god, don't let this promising thread turn into a women's soccer debate.
I apologize for responding to the initial troll.
I apologize for responding to the initial troll.
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 11:46 am
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:47 am to Tennessee Jed
I agree the pay to play system is bad, but I have no clue how to change it, without the clubs investing a massive amount of money in youth development.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 11:54 am to crazy4lsu
Memphis' two largest and most succesful youth clubs, Memphis FC and Fury, consolidated into one club(Midsouth FC.) They typically have 4 to 5 players in every age group on full "scholarship." Low income, yet talented, kids.
It's a step in the right direction. Fury was run by a handful of Brazilians, and Memphis FC was run by a former Polish national team keeper. Both clubs have produced a handful of professional players, it will be interesting to see if better players come out of the consolidated system. Still too early to tell.
The two clubs had vastly different approaches. I remember Fury having an emphasis on technique and touch. Focus on dribbling, juggling, running at players, etc. Memphis FC was more tactically focused, and things like juggling were largely an afterthought.
It's a step in the right direction. Fury was run by a handful of Brazilians, and Memphis FC was run by a former Polish national team keeper. Both clubs have produced a handful of professional players, it will be interesting to see if better players come out of the consolidated system. Still too early to tell.
The two clubs had vastly different approaches. I remember Fury having an emphasis on technique and touch. Focus on dribbling, juggling, running at players, etc. Memphis FC was more tactically focused, and things like juggling were largely an afterthought.
This post was edited on 7/3/14 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 7/3/14 at 1:37 pm to Tennessee Jed
The author seems to want to change over to a promotion/relegation system and that will breed the competition to spark the growth of soccer here.
The trouble on changing over to this European model is twofold in my mind:
1) The USA is much more vast than any European country. If Germany or Belgium wanted to make changes to their youth system, they can do so more readily. Heck, they could probably visit all the prominent clubs in their country in a week or two. Alexi Lalas said it in the post-game discussion - that perhaps you could create a better team if you focused on one region of the US, rather than the whole nation.
2) The money is not there. He says we should move away from the pay to play system here. However, there is not enough money flowing into soccer in order for us to allow elite players to play for free. For instance, Arsenal can forego player fees for their youth academy because it is not a key component for their bottom line. Most of the soccer clubs here are not affiliated with an MLS team, and therefore rely on all player fees as a key component of their bottom line.
The trouble on changing over to this European model is twofold in my mind:
1) The USA is much more vast than any European country. If Germany or Belgium wanted to make changes to their youth system, they can do so more readily. Heck, they could probably visit all the prominent clubs in their country in a week or two. Alexi Lalas said it in the post-game discussion - that perhaps you could create a better team if you focused on one region of the US, rather than the whole nation.
2) The money is not there. He says we should move away from the pay to play system here. However, there is not enough money flowing into soccer in order for us to allow elite players to play for free. For instance, Arsenal can forego player fees for their youth academy because it is not a key component for their bottom line. Most of the soccer clubs here are not affiliated with an MLS team, and therefore rely on all player fees as a key component of their bottom line.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 1:41 pm to Tiger Phil
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Alexi Lalas said it in the post-game discussion - that perhaps you could create a better team if you focused on one region of the US, rather than the whole nation.
That's an interesting idea. Have a "Bradenton" for each of the countries regions. Southeast, Northeast, Northwest, Southwest, West Cost, Rust Belt, etc... However you want to divy it up.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 1:46 pm to Tennessee Jed
We can't even get the two regions in Texas to do youth soccer the same. North Texas plays 11v11 starting at U10, while South Texas plays 8v8 through U12.
How do you convince each region in the nation to do things the same? For example, North Texas does it that way because that is how the clubs believe they can make the most money, period. How do we convince them do align with US Soccer for the good of the nation?
How do you convince each region in the nation to do things the same? For example, North Texas does it that way because that is how the clubs believe they can make the most money, period. How do we convince them do align with US Soccer for the good of the nation?
Posted on 7/3/14 at 1:51 pm to Tennessee Jed
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Memphis FC
I fricking hated this team (88). We kicked the shite out them a couple of times which was awesome.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 1:53 pm to Broski
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I think he is trying and is making subtle changes that we can't see right now. You can't just abolish a system and make one on a quick turn around. This will be a lengthy process, one that Jurgen will start but likely won't be with US Soccer when it finally comes to fruition.
My understanding was that when USSF initially approached JK about the job he turned it down because he didn't believe he received proper assurances regarding the Federation's commitment to changing player development at the grassroots level in this country. Apparently, from what I remember reading at the time, he was given assurances during the second approach that he would be able to put his thumbprint on youth development, specifically in the way young players are identified and incorporated into the national setup.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 1:56 pm to Tennessee Jed
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That's an interesting idea. Have a "Bradenton" for each of the countries regions. Southeast, Northeast, Northwest, Southwest, West Cost, Rust Belt, etc... However you want to divy it up.
This is what the French do. They have 12 regional academies which take players from ages 12-15. They are mostly finishing schools. LINK
I've long advocated for a model based on the French one, since it can be molded to a country such as ours.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 1:57 pm to RB10
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I fricking hated this team (88).
lol. The 88s were a good team, definitely had an attitude problem though.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:04 pm to Tennessee Jed
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lol. The 88s were a good team, definitely had an attitude problem though.
They were good. We put them in their place a couple of times though. Bitches.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:04 pm to crazy4lsu
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This is what the French do. They have 12 regional academies which take players from ages 12-15. They are mostly finishing schools.
I think that this would be a very tough sell culturally for American families. We just don't - for the most part - ship our kids off to boarding school.
Posted on 7/3/14 at 2:07 pm to Tiger Phil
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I think that this would be a very tough sell culturally for American families. We just don't - for the most part - ship our kids off to boarding school.
They would definitely need to couple it with an elite education, and cover travel expenses for the players and the player's families.
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