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Is goal differential the first tie breaker in all forms of soccer?
Posted on 6/22/14 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 6/22/14 at 10:43 pm
Seems a bit silly to have that over head to head
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Posted on 6/22/14 at 10:44 pm to barry
La Liga is head to head first
Posted on 6/22/14 at 10:45 pm to barry
Pretty much. Goal differential is usually the best way to determine who was better throughout the event, considering all teams play each other.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 10:47 pm to barry
Champions League and the Euro league are the only other tournaments that use groups that I can think of and yes goal difference is the first tie breaker. Then away goals come into play which is nonexistent in the World Cup for obvious reasons
Posted on 6/22/14 at 10:52 pm to Toby Flenderson
Just seems like it would favor a more aggressive style or situation versus head-to-head. In a World Cup format if the tiebreaker comes down to the head-to-head then you know when those two teams played each other both of them had something to play for and neither of them had a layup so that wouldn't affect the outcome of the head-to-head
Posted on 6/22/14 at 11:03 pm to barry
For many of my youth tournaments, goals against was the first tiebreaker. Why? So teams wouldn't have incentive to pile on goals against horrible teams.
And for many, the scoring system was as follows. Teams could score a max of ten pts per game
6 pts for a win
3 pts for a tie
1 pt each for each goal up to 3
1 pt for a shutout
It was a great system for youth soccer.
And for many, the scoring system was as follows. Teams could score a max of ten pts per game
6 pts for a win
3 pts for a tie
1 pt each for each goal up to 3
1 pt for a shutout
It was a great system for youth soccer.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 11:13 pm to hendersonshands
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Pretty much. Goal differential is usually the best way to determine who was better throughout the event, considering all teams play each other.
But group play isn't consistent. Because as the last game approaches, the outcomes vary greatly by each team.
So if team A needs a win vs team B plus 3 goals to advance over team C and team C has already been eliminated or is locked into their seed to advance, A's opportunity to score 3 goals is greater.
This is all while team C has beaten A head to head and is playing team D that is fighting to advance as well.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 11:27 pm to barry
Head to head should be the tie breaker in all sports. It's the logical way of determining team placement.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:32 am to Sleazy E
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Head to head should be the tie breaker in all sports. It's the logical way of determining team placement.
It's not about who is the best in one single game, it's about who is the best over the three group games. Head to head works in other sports because in Baseball, and football you don't play the same teams as everyone in your division for example the Saints may play the Cowboys one year while the Falcons may play Washington.
In soccer: In the World Cup groups,club tournaments, and most actual leagues around the world. Everyone plays the same teams at least once or twice sometime three maybe four times in the smaller leagues so Goal Differential is a view on how a team did over a competition rather than just one game.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:33 am to kieper89
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It's not about who is the best in one single game, it's about who is the best over the three group games.
Again, that's fine if the circumstances are the same for each game.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:17 am to kieper89
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It's not about who is the best in one single game
I agree, but when two teams have the same amount of points then I don't think goal differential is a good way to determine the better performance because the point is to win games, not score goals.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:40 am to barry
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Just seems like it would favor a more aggressive style
well...aggression is good, but being aggressive in soccer leaves you open to counters (which the US saw yesterday)
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In a World Cup format if the tiebreaker comes down to the head-to-head then you know when those two teams played each other both of them had something to play for and neither of them had a layup so that wouldn't affect the outcome of the head-to-head
2 problems:
1. the likelihood of ties screws this up
2. situational gameplans are common in soccer. like if the US won yesterday, we would have rested a bunch of guys b/c we had little to play for. the H2H wouldn't tell the whole story
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:42 am to Golfer
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Again, that's fine if the circumstances are the same for each game.
That's why it's not head to head. They don't want a one-off to wreck the tournament.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:42 am to Sleazy E
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Head to head should be the tie breaker in all sports. It's the logical way of determining team placement.
meh
in a group-based system with arbitrary points rewarded for ties/wins, it's really not
goal differential gives you a much better idea of how you played over the entire group stage
soccer is not a sport that lends itself to "one/done" formats. that is why the FA cup always has crazy teams left at the end
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:43 am to Golfer
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Again, that's fine if the circumstances are the same for each game.
that argument works for either of the sides, so it really isn't a strong argument either way
Posted on 6/23/14 at 7:44 am to barry
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because the point is to win games
or tie
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not score goals.
again, you have to conceptualize life with ties
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