- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: A soccer board referendum on Jurgen as the US' coach
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:11 am to Col Reb is my mascot
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:11 am to Col Reb is my mascot
quote:I have no problem losing 4-0 to Argentina, but once I saw that Beckerman and Wondo on the field, I knew we would barely get the ball out of our own half. We had absolutely no way to link up the midfield and forwards. Wondo is purely a poacher. He is completely useless unless the ball is in the box, so what good is he when you don't have a way to get the ball that far? We needed someone who could dribble and pass with little space, and Nagbe is the best player in our pool at that. It seems that Jurgen is the only person that didn't understand any of this.
And we still would have lost 4-0 and everyone here would find something else in the starting line-up to complain about. Without playing 2 forwards everyone here would be complaining about how we came out too defensive and just took it
1
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:12 am to heartbreakTiger
quote:
the 4-0 loss falls directly on beckerdreads and wondo for allowing the first 2 goals with just horrid play.
The first goal was primarily due to Yedlin being wayyyy down field and not in position to stop a short corner. This was by design, to try to counter fast (using Yedlin's speed against two defenders...), so it falls squarely on Jurgen. I agree though, that Beckerman could have done better and Wondo was incredibly culpable for the second.
You guys should listen to the total soccer show podcast. They give great analysis and I've learned a lot.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:12 am to Col Reb is my mascot
No, we should have lost to Ghana and beaten Portugal.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:13 am to cwil177
quote:
We have no idea if we would have lost 4-0 with Nagbe starting instead of Wondo, so I'm not sure how you can make that assertion.
And you can't make the assertion the game would have ended differently. Playing a 5 man midfield against Argentina very likely wouldn't have changed anything. 5 in the midfield wouldn't have made up for Bradly playing the worst game in his career. 5 in the midfield wouldn't have given us more attacking options. 5 in the midfield doesn't prevent either of the first 2 goals, meaning we are still chasing that entire game
Edit: and yes I know WOndo fouled Messi for that second goal, but Messi was running free from 25 yards out, either someone else takes him down or Messi is scoring during the run of play there
This post was edited on 6/26/16 at 10:16 am
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:16 am to Broski
Straight stagnation, I've been off the Jurgy train since the terrible call ups for 2014 Cup. He plays around with the lineup in the worst ways and he flat out ignores talented individuals for the likes of Wondo, Clark, etc. Just frustrating.
However, I will say that this is about his coaching alone. If it's true and the youth programs are improving (and it does seem like they are, but lack of info is tough to understand there, then this period of stagnation might be worth it, there's a chance that we could be quite good in 2022/26. Those effects were NEVER going to happen under his tenure as coach, sadly. Jurgy may end up one of the best things to happen to US soccer, it's just going to take another 10 years or so to know if our youth programs are that well developed.
However, I will say that this is about his coaching alone. If it's true and the youth programs are improving (and it does seem like they are, but lack of info is tough to understand there, then this period of stagnation might be worth it, there's a chance that we could be quite good in 2022/26. Those effects were NEVER going to happen under his tenure as coach, sadly. Jurgy may end up one of the best things to happen to US soccer, it's just going to take another 10 years or so to know if our youth programs are that well developed.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:17 am to pvilleguru
quote:
once I saw that Beckerman and Wondo on the field, I knew we would barely get the ball out of our own half. We had absolutely no way to link up the midfield and forwards. Wondo is purely a poacher. He is completely useless unless the ball is in the box, so what good is he when you don't have a way to get the ball that far? We needed someone who could dribble and pass with little space, and Nagbe is the best player in our pool at that. It seems that Jurgen is the only person that didn't understand any of this.
Truth.
If we wanted to try to hold any sort of possession we needed Nagbe out there.
With regards to Wondo, the poorly designed pressing game Jurgen threw him out there to try clearly didn't work. He was responsible for at least one goal. He was the wrong type of player for this game and Jurgen should have known better, but obviously he didn't. Still pretty telling when he subs Wondo at half time and then in the post match press conference says the players played too scared, instead of admitting to getting the tactics wrong like other coaches do.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:17 am to Col Reb is my mascot
What? 5 men in the midfield would have clogged up more passing lanes and it would have kept Wondo off the field. Net plus.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:18 am to Col Reb is my mascot
He was running free because of a wondo turn over. It was incredibly stupid starting wondo vs a real team. He is fricking garbage
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:18 am to cwil177
quote:
Still pretty telling when he subs Wondo at half time and then in the post match press conference says the players played too scared, instead of admitting to getting the tactics wrong like other coaches do.
Yeah Jurgen is a bit like Chip Kelly in that he thinks we's smarter than he really is
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:20 am to Col Reb is my mascot
quote:
yes I know WOndo fouled Messi for that second goal, but Messi was running free from 25 yards out, either someone else takes him down or Messi is scoring during the run of play there
Wondo lost the ball to Messi with a touch even Zardes would be ashamed of, and then was forced to foul him
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:20 am to heartbreakTiger
Just out of curiosity, if we had started 5 in the midfield, who really thinks that game would have ended better for us? Does anyone actually think we win that game then, or is it more of a "we only lose 3-0 then" type argument
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:20 am to pvilleguru
Oh, and Nagbe completed all of his passes in the game.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:24 am to Col Reb is my mascot
We probably still lose, but we at least attempt a few shots, less pressure on Bradley, we would be able to hold some possession, and it would let some newcomers get some serious minutes with the team. A net plus. We essentially just wasted a good opportunity with no real pressure against a great team.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:25 am to Col Reb is my mascot
quote:
Yeah Jurgen is a bit like Chip Kelly in that he thinks we's smarter than he really is
I'm glad we agree on this. I think it's part of the problem. Playing players out of position, throwing players under the bus, and telling guys like Nagbe they need to improve their speed and agility (not joking) shows it. The head coach is the last person I want to think he's smarter than he really is.
Tactically, Jurgen is all over the place. His game plan seems to be "these are professional soccer players so they can figure it out for themselves on the field."
Sure, I can sit back as a fan and be happy that we got to the knockout rounds of the Copa and the World Cup, but I can also see that the coach is tactically inept and that a better coach of tactics would make me lean more towards progression than stagnation or regression, in regards to the OP's question.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:26 am to pvilleguru
quote:
We essentially just wasted a good opportunity with no real pressure against a great team.
It's the semi-finals of the 2nd most important international tournament we play in. That's not exactly a good low-pressure situation to just start a bunch of young guys and see if they sink or swim
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:28 am to Col Reb is my mascot
So I getting the impression you're one of the, "We're playing a better team so just throw out random guys with no real game plan" types. The problem isn't that we lost, but that we looked clueless from manager on down.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:28 am to Col Reb is my mascot
We probably lose no matter what, my issue has been it was a wasted game because of the choice to start washed up vs young.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:28 am to Col Reb is my mascot
quote:No one expected us to win. All the pressure was on Argentina, who hasn't won anything since the early 90's.
It's the semi-finals of the 2nd most important international tournament we play in. That's not exactly a good low-pressure situation to just start a bunch of young guys and see if they sink or swim
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:29 am to cwil177
Yeah Jurgen is a bit all over the place tactically. And most of it is because he thinks he's the smartest coach in the world. But I also think some of it has to do with a lack of talent in our player pool, which Jurgen is working to improve more than any of our other previous coaches (which is why I think overall US soccer is progressing under him). And he was starting the exact same lineup this tournament until injuries/suspensions came into play and he was left, in my opinion, without a true winning option.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:31 am to Col Reb is my mascot
quote:
It's the semi-finals of the 2nd most important international tournament we play in.
Gold Cup qualifies for Confederations.
This "cup" was essentially meaningless.
Gold>>>>>>Copa.
Page 3 of 7
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News