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re: 3 things preventing soccer from gaining mainstream U.S. popularity
Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:37 am to Tiger Phil
Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:37 am to Tiger Phil
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But in order to get MORE players in the pool, we could increase our level of investment in men's college soccer. Then, as a byproduct, we would end up sending MORE elite players to become professionals early. AND we would get players like Cameron or Dempsey - didn't he play a little college soccer - to contribute.
Collegiate sports is a truly American phenomenon. We should try to harness that support to increase the level of play across the board in the US!
it works great for american sports
the coaching, training etc is lacking in college. You have 12/13 year olds in europe and some MLS set ups getting better coaching.
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:40 am to Tiger Phil
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I think it would actually frustrate people more if the clock indicated the actual end of the half. In NFHS and NCAA play, the clock counts down and when the clock hits zero, that's the end of it all. If the ball is in flight when the buzzer goes off, but has yet to pass the goal line, too bad. Wouldn't that be worse?
I completely understand why the game ends at a ref's discretion, but I think often there is too little time added on because the stoppages in play seem much longer. If there was an accurate reference then at least we could know how much time there should be played.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:40 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Our best athletes go where they can make the most money. Right now, that isn't soccer and may never be.
The odds of being an NBA player are astronomically low. Football is a dangerous game and only the elite make a NFL roster. MLB takes supreme talent to make the highest level.
Soccer is actually one of the best avenues to be a professional athlete. There are leagues in every major country and domestically.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:40 am to petar
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yea and @ timekeeping.. why would that prevent mainstream popularity?
Because random people who turn it on have no idea when the game will end. It's one of the simplest things there should be in any sport along with the score. Besides the fact that you have to know the rules of the game to know generally when the game will end, NO ONE watching knows exactly when the game is over until the final horn sounds.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:48 am to Broski
I think there are several reasons but none of three you listed are even in the top 10.
I'm never one to use the "you're too stupid to understand it" thing, in fact, I hate when people do. However, if the clock is really an issue for someone to where it's one of the main reasons that keep them from embracing the sport then it's because they are too stupid.
I'm never one to use the "you're too stupid to understand it" thing, in fact, I hate when people do. However, if the clock is really an issue for someone to where it's one of the main reasons that keep them from embracing the sport then it's because they are too stupid.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:48 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Show me evidence that Professional Soccer will EVER outdraw the big 4 in the U.S. I'm not talking about a once every 4-year event. Also tell me that the ratings in the U.S. are even close to as high when the U.S. isn't playing.
Average attendance is higher at soccer games than NBA games. Soccer is already the most popular sport in the key demographic that will help build the sport in the future (10-30, or something like that).
Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:49 am to Projectpat
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Because random people who turn it on have no idea when the game will end. It's one of the simplest things there should be in any sport along with the score. Besides the fact that you have to know the rules of the game to know generally when the game will end, NO ONE watching knows exactly when the game is over until the final horn sounds.
Games usually end near the added time limit. There is subjectivity and it's not a "perfect" system, but by no means broken.
I can see how it would annoy non-fans, but the inexact timing makes the late stages of the game very interesting. Not everything needs to be black and white all the time.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:50 am to StraightCashHomey21
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it works great for american sports
the coaching, training etc is lacking in college. You have 12/13 year olds in europe and some MLS set ups getting better coaching.
Perhaps.
But there are also many great coaches in the college ranks.
We need to get better coaching across the board. From the U9 level to the professional level. But it's not like coaching is a dark secret world that one can only enter into after having some esoteric life experiences. It is a learned set of skills and applied knowledge. It can absolutely be taught and learned, if the coaches are willing to apply themselves.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:07 am to Tiger Phil
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But there are also many great coaches in the college ranks.
There may be great coaches in the college ranks. I fully believe there are some very high quality coaches there. However, when they have to follow limits on when they can practice and have to balance an athletes athletic workload with school, the players are not getting nearly the same work as someone in a professional academy. Yes, in academies they do have to handle the schooling aspect, but the NCAA restraints are not there.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:11 am to DoreonthePlains
Absolutely.
They are even restricted from working with their players with a ball for certain parts of the year!
The very nature of college soccer needs to change! But I maintain that if we could make a few changes, then it could be a key advantage for us in developing players.
They are even restricted from working with their players with a ball for certain parts of the year!
The very nature of college soccer needs to change! But I maintain that if we could make a few changes, then it could be a key advantage for us in developing players.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:13 am to RedRifle
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Exactly. At 20 you should be playing for a EPL Reserve squad, not Maryland vs UVa.
At age 20, Jonathan Spector played for Manchester United. Geoff Cameron played for West Virginia at age 20, Stuart Holden played for Clemson.
All three are 28, one is a main cog in the national team, one certainly would be if not for injury, one is outside looking in (though perhaps deserves better.)
My point? There are good players everywhere on this damned planet. People need to stop looking at "Europe" (especially Europe as the 12 most recognizable clubs) as the end-all, be-all, fix-all for soccer - American soccer in particular.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:16 am to CGSC Lobotomy
I like the game as is,not love but like. I think mass appeal would require more scoring plays. Bigger nets,less stringent offsides...... It's hard for joe fan to appreciate passes,catches ,attacks and dribbling when they don't end with a goal. JMHO
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:19 am to CGSC Lobotomy
There are 3 things but they are football, basketball, and baseball. The big money in America will go to the athletes in these sports most of the time.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:20 am to BOSCEAUX
The halves arent supposed to last exactly 45 minutes + time for stoppages, stoppage time is an approximate amount added to make up for some of the time ths ball isnt in play
After the clock hits the added minute number the ref waits for a break in play in blows the whistle. Not that difficult
After the clock hits the added minute number the ref waits for a break in play in blows the whistle. Not that difficult
This post was edited on 7/1/14 at 11:22 am
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:22 am to Sheep
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My point? There are good players everywhere on this damned planet. People need to stop looking at "Europe" (especially Europe as the 12 most recognizable clubs) as the end-all, be-all, fix-all for soccer - American soccer in particular.
Exactly. Why can't the US develop their own format that works best for the talent in this country that will produce the best results.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:23 am to Golfer
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Exactly. Why can't the US develop their own format that works best for the talent in this country that will produce the best results.
Doesn't happen overnight.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:26 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Four: Little participation below the poverty line in Florida.
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:29 am to Golfer
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Exactly. Why can't the US develop their own format that works best for the talent in this country that will produce the best results.
Because the vast majority of great players come from poor backgrounds and grow up constantly with a ball at their feet. Upper middle class and higher kids aee gonna be indoors playing video games in the AC
This post was edited on 7/1/14 at 11:30 am
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:30 am to PsychTiger
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don't get all up in arms like the regular posters here when the new viewers suggest changes.
Why would ANYONE listen to a new viewers suggestions on a sport? You would be taking the opinion of the most uneducated person on the subject. Some yayhoo in Alabama watches the game once then comes on here and "suggests" changes to which he has no idea the implications and if we don't take it seriously we are sensitive jerks. Here's the truth to al the "Mericans" on this board who want to fix the game: your opinion doesn't matter, you don't have the experience to make the suggestion, if you did you wouldn't be saying some of this shite, and quit thinking that people care what you think should hapen(no one is going to say "let's change the game for this guy")
Posted on 7/1/14 at 11:31 am to Sheep
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At age 20, Jonathan Spector played for Manchester United. Geoff Cameron played for West Virginia at age 20, Stuart Holden played for Clemson.
All three are 28, one is a main cog in the national team, one certainly would be if not for injury, one is outside looking in (though perhaps deserves better.)
My point? There are good players everywhere on this damned planet. People need to stop looking at "Europe" (especially Europe as the 12 most recognizable clubs) as the end-all, be-all, fix-all for soccer - American soccer in particular.
I think this is a good point. There are 200 schools playing D-1 soccer so there are plenty of outlets for good players. But designing youth development so that it mimics the NFL and NBA is a bad idea in my view. If we can find a combination of college soccer and MLS academies, then that might be the best option.
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